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When will MS replace the NT-kernel in windows?
JohanH:
--- Quote from: PlainName on January 23, 2024, 03:01:11 pm ---
Except when they don't match yours, apparently.
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It's the constant bashing and seemingly hatred of Lennart Poettering that I don't like, not people's technical opinions. When you are unable to keep it at the technical arguments, it becomes a poisonous and disgusting environment.
Karel:
Regarding the list of facts presented in the starting post, we can add:
- MS hires Lennart Poettering, the inventor and lead programmer of systemd.
- MS released Edge webbrowser for Linux
Also interesting:
In October 2018, Microsoft released 60,000 patents to the Open Invention Network members for Linux systems,
but exFAT patents were not initially included at the time. There was, however, discussion within Microsoft over whether
Microsoft should allow exFAT in Linux devices, which eventually resulted in Microsoft publishing the official
specification for open usage and releasing the exFAT patents to the OIN in August 2019.
and:
Paragon Software Group opensourses their (until then closed/proprietary) NTFS driver for Linux without any objection/protest from MS.
Technical difficulties aside, all this justifies the question when MS will replace the NT kernel with a Linux kernel.
edit: added Edge webbrowser
shapirus:
--- Quote from: Karel on January 23, 2024, 05:00:45 pm ---Technical difficulties aside, all this justifies the question when MS will replace the NT kernel with a Linux kernel.
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It will be Lennux, a proper Linux rewritten from scratch.
Bud:
Efking hell no, computer boot time will be back to nonsense.
asmi:
--- Quote from: Karel on January 23, 2024, 05:00:45 pm ---Technical difficulties aside, all this justifies the question when MS will replace the NT kernel with a Linux kernel.
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Not anytime soon for sure. Linux kernel is a total mess compared to modern NT kernel, and their propensity to break binary compatibility on just about every kernel release turns driver maintenance into a nightmare, while for NT kernel, even quite old drivers tend to work just fine. Couple that with incredibly slow and convoluted process of upstreaming a driver (which is the only semi-reliable way to ensure your driver won't break down after every other kernel release), and you can see why Windows model is much more appealing. One can get a device driver from zero to release in a couple of months, good luck achieving the same for Linux driver - you'll be lucky if somebody bothers to even look at your PR a year after submission, and then will complain about some BS like a semicolon being in a wrong place, and you will have to go through entire process again :palm: While Windows kernel interface is mature and stable, and so you can simply compile your kernel once, get it signed - and you're done.
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