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General => General Technical Chat => Topic started by: mikeselectricstuff on July 11, 2013, 11:03:08 pm
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What were these people smoking when they came up with this...
Using Smart Control Feature with Outdoor Setting - Smart Washer (WF455) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv-mnSPsKKY#ws)
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Umm.... so you can start a cycle from your phone, but you'd still have to go put the clothes (and detergent presumably) in anyway!
About the only use I can think of is to know when it's finished or has a problem (off balance) and you have a large house.
As an aside, I find instructions for web site account sign-ups amusing; they say "click here to accept the terms and conditions" almost in a way that says "trust me, just tick this box without reading the terms and conditions".
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You know, maybe if we started providing marketing folk with actual, human porn, they'd stop masturbating to ridiculous Internet connectivity ideas.
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About the only use I can think of is to know when it's finished or has a problem (off balance) and you have a large house.
We've finally got a washer that's MCU-driven, instead of the old timer knob, and it appears to solve its own imbalance problems by stopping and shaking the basket back and forth a few times.
As for when it's finished, well, it's finished in about the same time as it always is. Look at a clock.
This is 100% useless marketing wankery.
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Came across this the other day (http://www.catcaremart.com/platinum-pets-the-original-smartphone-cat-id-tag-color-sapphire-blue#.Ud89_kFMnYQ) - it's a collar for a cat that has a QR code on it so if your cat gets lost the person who finds the cat scans the QR code with their smartphone, goes online, downloads an app, to allow them to send an email to you telling you your cat is lost and to come and get it.
Or just get your telephone number engraved on the collar like we've been doing for thousands of fucking years.
Anyway, whoever designed that washing machine should be shot. Always design any product with the full expectation that the owner will set fire to the manual before even reading it. If it ain't intuitive, it ain't no good.
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scans the QR code with their smartphone, goes online, downloads an app, to allow them to send an email to you telling you your cat is lost and to come and get it.
I don't know if I'm amazed or entirely unsurprised that the dingbat who came up with this idea appears to be entirely unaware that emails can be sent server-side.
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scans the QR code with their smartphone, goes online, downloads an app, to allow them to send an email to you telling you your cat is lost and to come and get it.
I don't know if I'm amazed or entirely unsurprised that the dingbat who came up with this idea appears to be entirely unaware that emails can be sent server-side.
Easier to push his ads if you have to install the app.
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What were these people smoking when they came up with this...
Powdered Tide?
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Is that what they're calling it now?
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Is that what they're calling it now?
Heh - yea. ;)
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I wish it would actually listen to your phone call - that's how the next company will up the ante -
"Hello washer? Yea it's me xrunner. Can you do that load for me in about 30 minutes? Thanks bro! Oh and have an extra rinse cycle on me!" :wtf:
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I'd rather have something which will put the stuff from the washer into the dryer. I think it would be cheaper to get a machine without the microcontroller and have an Arduino hooked up to the piezo sensor which can send you an alert when the buzzer goes off. WAY cheaper IMHO
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I'm actually surprised it doesn't link to your FB/twit account and auto post status updates that you're washing your clothes. Maybe it does and the promo just doesn't show it...
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an Arduino hooked up to the piezo sensor which can send you an alert when the buzzer goes off
An Arduino?
(http://cloud8.lbox.me/images/m/201211/unisex-cool-steel-analog-quartz-wrist-watch-black_qwqsqp1352086787150.jpg)
Arduino my ass...
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I'm actually surprised it doesn't link to your FB/twit account and auto post status updates that you're washing your clothes.
With those ideas you can definitely get a job at that company!
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pff. this one has full blown graphical user interface with touch screen
http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/washers-dryers/WF457ARGSGR/AA (http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/washers-dryers/WF457ARGSGR/AA)
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Dunno whats worse. Products like this or the fact that there are people who'll actually buy it because of thus "feature" and probably brag about it at parties :palm:
At any rate I hope they sell heaps of them that way in 12 months time when they reach end of life, curb side pick up day will yield lan enabled motor drivers :)
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pff. this one has full blown graphical user interface with touch screen
http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/washers-dryers/WF457ARGSGR/AA (http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/washers-dryers/WF457ARGSGR/AA)
From that link -
The washer sends your smartphone notifications when laundry is finished – no more running back to check or forgetting to transfer loads to the dryer. The App gives you remote control access of your machine; monitor your laundry’s progress from your upstairs bedroom, while you’re cooking dinner or even while you’re out running errands
Who the f*ck needs to monitor the washing machine while running errands? How did we ever survive without that?
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We spent $400 on our washing machine. Just sayin'. What confuses me is that someone who's efficient enough with their money to accumulate enough to spend nearly $2000 on a washing machine would be loose enough with their money to spend nearly $2000 on a washing machine.
Who the f*ck needs to monitor the washing machine while running errands? How did we ever survive without that?
Trendy iDumbShits with more money than common sense.
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PowerFoam™! SpeedSpray™! PureCycle™! VRT Plus™! JustWashMyGoddamnLaundryPlease™! :blah:
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Trendy iDumbShits with more money than common sense.
Can you imagine the conversations out running errands?
"Oh hello Mrs. Smith did you want to pick up your dry cleaning?"
"Yes ... oh wait a minute ... Oh no - I have to run home my washing machine just called!"
" :wtf: "
Damn I'm having a blast with this topic.
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More like
"Oh hello Mrs. Smith did you want to pick up your dry cleaning?"
"Look what my Samsung Wash'n'Wank can do!" *shoves Samsung Galaxy S4 in clerk's face*
"Oh wow! I'm going to buy three!"
Or at least, that's how I picture the marketing guys describing it.
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I can see where integration of some appliances into the home network could be useful (home automation).
Marketing people need to come up with ways to get the public introduced to the concept.
Unfortunately some of those ideas seem to be half baked, with no clearly defined benefit.
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More like
"Oh hello Mrs. Smith did you want to pick up your dry cleaning?"
"Look what my Samsung Wash'n'Wank can do!" *shoves phone in clerk's face*
"Oh wow! I'm going to buy three!"
Or at least, that's how I picture the marketing guys describing it.
Oh I know, and they may be right.
You know it used to be you would say "What is everyone going to do if the power goes out. Everyone will be helpless!"
Now it's ""What is everyone going to do if all the smartphones fail. Everyone will be helpless!"
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You know it used to be you would say "What is everyone going to do if the power goes out. Everyone will be helpless!"
Now it's ""What is everyone going to do if all the smartphones fail. Everyone will be helpless!"
Adding extra functionality (remote start / monitor) to appliances is fine. Just don't make it the only way to control it !
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I think the people who came up with this idea were more than half baked.
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Not for me. I don't want the NSA monitoring my laundry habits... ::)
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Not for me. I don't want the NSA monitoring my laundry habits... ::)
Oh noooooooooo!!!!! :palm:
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I'd rather have something which will put the stuff from the washer into the dryer.
Traditionally called a wife. >:D
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The fact that it's pointless aside, this has to be the most ridiculously complicated setup procedure ever!
They should just have a QR code label on the device, and the setup should be "point phone at label, press this button".
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About the only useful situation I can think of in the "connectivity" stakes is power management. Hook it up to off peak power and run the wash cycle when the ripple comes down the line. Does it report instantaneous power consumption? that may be useful also
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Is this the latest gimmick to sell white goods in an already saturated market, our TV Samsung no remote you wave your hands in front of it ,like you belong in the crazy farm, by the way , I didn't choose it, wife and daughters bought it to keep up with the joneses.
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I have the wet washing sitting in the machine fo hours on end, the machine is clever enough to recognise this and turns the drum over every few minutes. This prevents crinkles or the wash to start rotting. Works pretty well and the machine's only hooked up to mains, cold water and waste water. No LAN connection neccessary, thank you Miele.
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You are all thinking about it the wrong way.
It's designed by woman so their man would be asking if they can do the laundry. ;)
Before you know it all cleaning tools will have an app and your wife will be in the sun checking your progress on her phone while you think it's fun :)
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Samsung are very big at pushing silly features but what I'd really like from a washing machine is a 10 year lifespan, like our old one with a mechanical timer! How long till water ingress in the touchscreen screws it up?
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Samsung are very big at pushing silly features but what I'd really like from a washing machine is a 10 year lifespan, like our old one with a mechanical timer! How long till water ingress in the touchscreen screws it up?
more so the detergent. Very alkaline and corrosive
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This is is the most stupid thing for a washing machine. Washing machines should be strictly electromechanical with rugged micros 8-bit when necessary. Numerous friends of mine owns washing machines with LCDs, smart washings cycles etc. Full of troubles and main board failures.
The same goes for refrigerators.
Alexander.
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You'd think that for 2 grand, they'd combine the freakin' washer and drier into a single unit...
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I assume it has ethernet, imagine trying to enter a secure Wifi key |O
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I would not buy that anyway! it does not come with a web cam fitted, so that I can watch my cloths go around on my phone or broadcast my washing to the world, epic fail. :-DD
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I would not buy that anyway! it does not come with a web cam fitted, so that I can watch my cloths go around on my phone or broadcast my washing to the world, epic fail. :-DD
If it had a webcam you could hold up a QRcode printout of your wifi key instead of entering it. :D
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Samsung are very big at pushing silly features but what I'd really like from a washing machine is a 10 year lifespan, like our old one with a mechanical timer! How long till water ingress in the touchscreen screws it up?
10 years? I have one here which is from the mid 70s and still working well.
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I assume it has ethernet, imagine trying to enter a secure Wifi key |O
And what if you have internet problems?
"Hello Charter Cable, I'm having problems with the internet"
"Well what's wrong sir?"
"I can't talk to my washing machine any more!"
" :o Well try to remain calm sir. Can you slowly approach the machine and press the start button yourself?"
"Uh, I think so. I'm not sure how to anymore."
"Good. Try to start the machine yourself. "
"But my smartphone CAN'T TALK TO IT ANYMORE!"
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I want clothes with embedded rfid chips that tell my machine what i'm throwing in the drum.
The machine figures out what is the optimum cycle , executes it , a conveyor belt hands it to to dryer , who does its thing and done. All clothes are made of rymplon (tm) of course.
Rymplon is a material designed to look good when wrinkled. Go look it up.
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It would appear that samsung's phones aren't compatible with their washing machines ;D
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.washer&hl=en (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.washer&hl=en)
Woman>smartphone>laundry.....makes sense to me.
Samsung washing machine app helps handle the laundry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xQk0bncoo0#ws)
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<dave>
WWWWWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??
Bloody dickheads....
</dave>
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I'm actually surprised it doesn't link to your FB/twit account and auto post status updates that you're washing your clothes. Maybe it does and the promo just doesn't show it...
:-DD almost choked on my drink when I read that, cos it's so true.
Thanks to FB I am already kept instantly up to date with where my friends are having coffee, what book they just finished on their Kindle, how many K they just ran, etc etc so it's only a matter of time before the world will know whenever I finish my whites, brush my teeth, boil the kettle....
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I'm sorry but that's the stupidest use of technology I've seen in a long time. Now what happens
if when it doesn't work?
The causes could be -
A. The washer internet circuit
B. The home router
C. The internet provider
D. The Smartphone
Who is the customer going to call? If they call Samsung what will Samsung do? I don't understand why they want to create a support nightmare with this gizmo, and trust me it's going to be a support nightmare when grandma can't start her washer from her smartphone in bed. Give me a fucking break!
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Samsung are very big at pushing silly features but what I'd really like from a washing machine is a 10 year lifespan, like our old one with a mechanical timer! How long till water ingress in the touchscreen screws it up?
10 years? Our's has been running for my entire lifetime, 17 years! I bet this one will have its plastic break in the first 5 years of sitting next to a window.
These appliances tend to get more complicated all the time. All I want for a stove, for example is 4 or 5 burners, a grill I can place on top and 4 or 5 knobs. The only electronic function I would like in a stove is a temperature readout for the oven, accurate to ±10 degrees C is enough. And that doesn't even need to be electronic... No timers, I can buy as many egg timers as I need and microwaves already have one built in.
Microwaves are done right. So are the more basic blenders. All I need for a fridge to be digital is energy saving schedules. Trust me, nobody is gonna watch TV or recipes on a fridge. I would spend my money on a tablet and a cooking app instead.
There is something that I want to be digital, though. Toaster ovens tend to have a very bad manual timer knob. It breaks after 6 months of use and doesn't work right. The temperature regulation is bad, in my opinion (not that you are going to reflow PCBs on it ;)). Digital controls can be more robust when done right. 3 buttons for toasting, more buttons to select the mode (you know, toaster, oven, broiler) and 2 rotary encoders (with the lifespan of a computer mouse encoder) to set temperature and time. I once used a microwave with a rotary encoder instead of a keypad. It was good for most uses.
My point is, adding digital electronics and user interfaces to devices that used to be mechanical is not always bad. You just have to make it cheap, simple and easy to use.
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Sadly the compulsion to make everything internet connected is spreading. Enter LG Smart Thinq
http://www.lg.com/us/discover/smartthinq/thinq.jsp (http://www.lg.com/us/discover/smartthinq/thinq.jsp)
Includes refrigerators, washers, dryers, range, dishwasher.
I could maybe understand refrigerator, but dishwashers ???
LG SMART THINQ APPLIANCES REQUIRE WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE AS WELL AS 3G OR 4G SMARTPHONE SERVICE, AVAILABLE FROM YOUR LOCAL PROVIDER.
I can see me telling my cell provider I need another line for my oven!
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This is exactly why IOT is fertile ground for growth. Keep building shit just like that Samsung, I love you long time. They should stick to copying other's products. This is what you get when they "innovate".
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3 Reasons why you would want your washing machine to have a MAC address:
- Power usage reporting, logging, tracking, suggesting ways to optimize and save energy or money. If such a system were available in all appliances then an energy use profile could be developed. Before you say a thing I say bullshit. People love this shit;
- Diagnostic and error reporting. If it detects a fault it alerts you and Samsung who could perform a remote diagnostic (login if you like) and send you a detailed diagnostic report and some possible resolution options (i.e. order a part, schedule a service call, etc). They might even be able to fix it without you ever knowing it was broken if it can be resolved in software;
- Cycle scheduling in coordination with a smart meter or energy supervisor could defer cycles during periods of peak demand/high prices or it could power down other things when the washer starts depending on the power needs of the settings, perhaps you're on a power budget, solar maybe, to avoid surcharges above some quota.
It's not a completely stupid idea, it's just stupidly implemented because Samsung's washer does none of this. Some dipshit in marketing said it needs to talk to a phone or all is lost and a bunch of engineering automatons without an ounce of creativity, inspiration or passion built that garbage to spec.
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I have to admit that i also got a ethernet-connected washing machine. OK, soldered myself and not bound to some proprietary cloud service. If you have a larger house its very convinient to get a message if something goes wrong or the cycle has finished.
I personally like to see most things interconnected somehow (preferably not directly via internet). Sadly most vendors use this technique to build their own device-dictatorship which doesn't let users choose which services they want to use or to develop own logic.
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What I really want is my door with MAC address + coupled with a powerful pneumatic mechanism of course.
Like the old saying .. "Don't let the door slam your ass on the way out !" will have a whole new paradigm.
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as it is a samsung washing machine, I'm pretty sure that it doesnt work with an iphone ...
and my wife has an iphone soooooo ?
more than that apple still doesnt sell washing machines but who knows ?
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apple still doesnt sell washing machines but who knows ?
Undoubtedly it would be called the iWash
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSi1l4PQ7f8pci9HT3YCpZYQb38WcXQ9OD_Dl-6jMMg5n16XOIiOA)
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apple still doesnt sell washing machines but who knows ?
Undoubtedly it would be called the iWash
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSi1l4PQ7f8pci9HT3YCpZYQb38WcXQ9OD_Dl-6jMMg5n16XOIiOA)
Rumour also has it that they are about to launch a new range of running shoes named the 'iRan' and are in the final stages of suing a country in the Middle East for copyright infringement and forcing it to change its name.
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Apple doesn't have a monopoly on being dickheads.
Here in Australia we call sheepskin boots ugg boots. Some company in the US decided to trade mark the name and then proceeded with legal action against an elderly couple that made ugg boots here, telling them they couldn't call them ugg boots. The couple took them to court and won :-+
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- Power usage reporting, logging, tracking, suggesting ways to optimize and save energy or money. If such a system were available in all appliances then an energy use profile could be developed. Before you say a thing I say bullshit. People love this shit;
- Diagnostic and error reporting. If it detects a fault it alerts you and Samsung who could perform a remote diagnostic (login if you like) and send you a detailed diagnostic report and some possible resolution options (i.e. order a part, schedule a service call, etc). They might even be able to fix it without you ever knowing it was broken if it can be resolved in software;
- Cycle scheduling in coordination with a smart meter or energy supervisor could defer cycles during periods of peak demand/high prices or it could power down other things when the washer starts depending on the power needs of the settings, perhaps you're on a power budget, solar maybe, to avoid surcharges above some quota.
Sorry to burst your bubble but I have to remind you that most of the people buying this stuff can't even figure out why they should film a video with your iPhone horizontally.
If you need the smart energy monitoring, there are devices that do this. Things ranging from a simple Kill-A-Watt to some stuff I remember seing on Kickstarter that even has WiFi. Appliances should be easy to use.
To me, this is the golden standard of how things should be:
Meet the Nest Learning Thermostat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8TkhHgkBsg#ws)
http://nest.com (http://nest.com)
It has WiFi, but it justifies its use because it takes decisions by itself (i.e. after it learns, nobody tells it when to increase the temperature). Also, the air conditioning is something that is continuously operating, and it uses a lot of power, unlike simple kitchen appliances. Also, kitchen appliances need to be loaded, unloaded and they generally finish their tasks in an hour or two. Air conditioning is perpetual.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but I have to remind you that most of the people buying this stuff can't even figure out why they should film a video with your iPhone horizontally.
I know people that can't comprehend how to switch HDMI inputs with the remote. I hate to see some of them use appliances like these.
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It's all in the implementation. You can have a great new function / feature, but if it's not usable by the intended audience it's a waste of time. That doesn't make network connectivity inherently bad.