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Why, Australia, WHY?
« on: November 22, 2017, 12:09:44 pm »
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2017, 01:11:05 pm »
Not EE related, but... WHY?
https://jezebel.com/australian-woman-grudgingly-gives-ride-to-enormous-fre-1820630157

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 02:31:54 pm »
My next door neighbour is emigrating to Australia. She crapped herself and was in tears when there was a hedgehog in the garden. I wish you guys luck  :palm:
 

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2017, 02:36:29 pm »
Looks like a huntsman. Probably the only animal here in Australia that's not trying to kill us.

 

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 02:43:36 pm »
I thought that *SOME* of the sheep were harmless! (ob. Pterry reference)
 

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2017, 05:21:34 pm »
okay, I'm curious. Why only 6 legs on it? I don't see the other two.
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2017, 05:38:22 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2017, 05:41:36 pm »
I lived in Florida for a while and one night we came in to the bedroom, flipped the blanket back and a little tiny Eastern Coral Snake was hiding under the blanket.

I found it cute and so colorful but handled it carefully with a long stick.
Later I found out it was a very dangerous creature.

You never know, where these animals are hiding.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2017, 05:56:01 pm »
I lived in Florida for a while and one night we came in to the bedroom, flipped the blanket back and a little tiny Eastern Coral Snake was hiding under the blanket.

I found it cute and so colorful but handled it carefully with a long stick.
Later I found out it was a very dangerous creature.

You never know, where these animals are hiding.

A 424  \$\Omega\$, 4% snake!
 

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2017, 06:04:49 pm »
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When I got home I slowly got out of the car, locked the door, went to sleep and pretended that it never happened. I checked the car next [day], armed with bug spray and a broom but there was no spider to be found.
Burn the car to the ground and buy a new one, it's the only way to be sure.
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2017, 06:13:36 pm »
Thank God for good old safe Europe with no dangerous wild creatures
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2017, 06:16:12 pm »
You are right but wait:


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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2017, 06:21:23 pm »
Lucky me, only a few dangerous animals here. Most dangerous is the mosquito, carrier of Malaria, then the Tsetse fly, carrier of Ngorogoro. Then you get the dangerous snakes, Black and green Mamba, Mozambique cobra, other cobras and puffadders, and then the big cats, elephant, rhino, hippo and buffalo to round things out.

No real bad spiders aside from the black widow, and a good number of toxic plants, including castor oil growing wild all over, and the happy plant.
 

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2017, 06:41:45 pm »
Lucky me, only a few dangerous animals here. Most dangerous is the mosquito, carrier of Malaria, then the Tsetse fly, carrier of Ngorogoro. Then you get the dangerous snakes, Black and green Mamba, Mozambique cobra, other cobras and puffadders, and then the big cats, elephant, rhino, hippo and buffalo to round things out.

No real bad spiders aside from the black widow, and a good number of toxic plants, including castor oil growing wild all over, and the happy plant.
southern hemisphere has its hazards,  in oz - game of chicken with a roo when driving can ruin you day & the car.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2017, 06:56:00 pm »
At least drunken Kangaroos aren't as much trouble as drunken Elephants, which have a reputation for ignoring minor obstacles in their way like smaller trees, fences, telegraph poles, vehicles etc.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2017, 07:32:19 pm »
Never underestimate the intelligence of elephants, especially if they want to get to either water or food. Electric fence that is military built with a lethal setting, no problem. Remove all trees within 200m they bring a few with for the next time.

For something so big, that they can literally walk right next to you without making any noise above the local breeze is scary, all you can hear is the grass being moved out of the way.
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2017, 07:34:44 pm »
Northwest (Oregon/Washington) only has Black Widows, Brown Recluses, Poison Oak, stupid people. That's pretty much it here for dangerous things i think.
 

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2017, 07:43:39 pm »
I had a similar experience with a huntsman at night in the car. When I was driving along, I noticed that the lights on the dashboard were covered up in a suspiciously huntsman spider-like way...... Still not sure which way they get in. There's the AC/ventilation air intake, and the exhaust vent at the back of the vehicle.
 

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2017, 11:26:01 pm »
The worst thing is when they disappear into the car somewhere, you know damn well it'll re-appear at the worst possible time in the worst possible place.

I guess that's what our 40+ degree Celsius days are for, park the car in the sun with the windows down a bit and the problem will leave by mid afternoon.
Not easy, not hard, just need to be incentivised.
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2017, 11:41:11 pm »
Quite a while ago I was house-sitting a beautiful home in the wine country when my dog started barking, it turned out she was barking at a huge rattlesnake which was holding its own and hissing at her with its mouth open, rattle tail going full blast.

Its head was big and very wide. You could see two huge fangs inside its mouth.

It was definitely poisonous. But when I arrived, the snake slithered into an enclosed area under the deck behind some tools. Realizing that our dog was in danger as long as it was around I attempted to tease it to come after me and caught it under a long rake. I then chopped its head off as it squirmed, with a shovel. I buried its head under some rocks so the dog couldn't get it and hung its body, still squirming back and forth on a fence. This confrontation occurred and was all over in just a few seconds. I didn't have any time to think at all.

Even without its head, it kept squirming for a very long time. 

After it was over my adrenaline was really pumping. In retrospect would I have done it again? Probably yes because I didn't really have any choice. Had I had some kind of specialized snake catching tool (a stick to pin it down by its head and another stick with a loop and noose to catch it?) and a sack or bucket to put it in I likely would have caught it and then tried to figure out how to bring it somewhere else and release it.  But as it was I had to kill it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2017, 11:54:10 pm »
There are "specialists" who take snakes out of the engine compartments of cars.
It seems like this happens every day, somewhere in the world.


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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2017, 12:04:48 am »
Northwest (Oregon/Washington) only has Black Widows, Brown Recluses, Poison Oak, stupid people. That's pretty much it here for dangerous things i think.

Here in Florida, we have rattlesnakes, crocodiles, tourists and a vast majority of members of the small senior citizens with enormous cars club.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2017, 12:11:17 am »
Thank God for good old safe Europe with no dangerous wild creatures
The data is not perfect (reporting inconsistencies) and the vertical scale is logarithmic to fit the labels but Australia is far from the worst place to risk your life from animals, below is reliable data plotted across Europe and adding Australia for comparison.
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2017, 12:20:32 am »
What kinds of animals still kill people in Europe?
Some areas have pretty bad Lyme disease, I hear. Malaria is said to be making a come back in Greece.

Thank God for good old safe Europe with no dangerous wild creatures
The data is not perfect (reporting inconsistencies) and the vertical scale is logarithmic to fit the labels but Australia is far from the worst place to risk your life from animals, below is reliable data plotted across Europe and adding Australia for comparison.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2017, 12:32:35 am »
What kinds of animals still kill people in Europe?
Some areas have pretty bad Lyme disease, I hear. Malaria is said to be making a come back in Greece.

Thank God for good old safe Europe with no dangerous wild creatures
The data is not perfect (reporting inconsistencies) and the vertical scale is logarithmic to fit the labels but Australia is far from the worst place to risk your life from animals, below is reliable data plotted across Europe and adding Australia for comparison.
Communicable diseases are handled under different ICD-10 codes, those used for the plot of W53 to W64 inclusive only include people killed by the direct mechanical actions of animals (and some plants).
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2017, 01:31:39 am »
Carnivorous plants?

This is making me see my European roots entirely in a different light!

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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2017, 01:38:29 am »
Oh...

Thats very disappointing of us.
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2017, 04:03:34 am »
What kinds of animals still kill people in Europe?
Some areas have pretty bad Lyme disease, I hear. Malaria is said to be making a come back in Greece.

Thank God for good old safe Europe with no dangerous wild creatures
The data is not perfect (reporting inconsistencies) and the vertical scale is logarithmic to fit the labels but Australia is far from the worst place to risk your life from animals, below is reliable data plotted across Europe and adding Australia for comparison.
Not from hard statistics but based on news stories I've seen, the deadliest animal in Europe happens to be homo sapiens.  Their target often are other homo sapiens.

In Australia, humans don't have to worry much about being rape by a spider or mugged by a croc.  In Europe, homo sapiens being mugged or rape by another homo sapiens is a daily thing.
We have the statistics freely available, you can check that all you like. From the European Detailed Mortality Database we can see how countries compare for their rates of assaults causing death (attached below) and Australia is quite a bit higher than the average european nation, so with that and the relative rates of deaths from animals (venomous or otherwise) the data shows the exact opposite of your suggestion.

After a slight error I've reuploaded the animal threat comparing europe to Australia:

Seems like europeans are bad at treating venomous animal bites or are they actually more common?
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2017, 06:23:03 am »
Drowning after touching jelly fish, death by inflammation from tick bites, don’t think snakes are sufficiently venomous in the northern countries. Can’t think of much else.

Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2017, 06:48:30 am »
What kinds of animals still kill people in Europe?

Domestic animals, sometimes. Being trampled to death by cows is a thing.
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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2017, 07:03:13 am »
Finland seems like pretty dangerous place must be all those venomous snakes bears wolfs bulls and polar bears... :wtf:
 

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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2017, 07:03:44 am »
Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
X23 Contact with hornets, wasps and bees
this dominates deaths from poisonous/venomous animals in the above plot. Similarly W55 Bitten or struck by other mammals includes boring things like cows on farms.
 

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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2017, 07:08:11 am »
Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
X23 Contact with hornets, wasps and bees
this dominates deaths from poisonous/venomous animals in the above plot. Similarly W55 Bitten or struck by other mammals includes boring things like cows on farms.

Well in Finland (what is very dangerous place) in average one person yearly dies from hornet/bee/wasp stings like i said must be the polar bears...
 

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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2017, 07:15:14 am »
Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
X23 Contact with hornets, wasps and bees
this dominates deaths from poisonous/venomous animals in the above plot. Similarly W55 Bitten or struck by other mammals includes boring things like cows on farms.
Well in Finland (what is very dangerous place) in average one person yearly dies from hornet/bee/wasp stings like i said must be the polar bears...
Thats not the figures they're reporting:
http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/
Many deaths per year attributed to envenomation from wasp/bee/hornet in Finland alone. Question remains is exposure higher? or health care worse? or both? We can make easier guesses for countries such as Kazakhstan.
 

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« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 07:16:50 am »
Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
X23 Contact with hornets, wasps and bees
this dominates deaths from poisonous/venomous animals in the above plot. Similarly W55 Bitten or struck by other mammals includes boring things like cows on farms.
Well in Finland (what is very dangerous place) in average one person yearly dies from hornet/bee/wasp stings like i said must be the polar bears...
Thats not the figures they're reporting:
http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/
Many deaths per year attributed to envenomation from wasp/bee/hornet in Finland alone. Question remains is exposure higher? or health care worse? or both? We can make easier guesses for countries such as Kazakhstan.

I Would know about that.

I just know in average one person dies from wasp etc stings yearly in Finland.
 

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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2017, 07:23:58 am »
Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
X23 Contact with hornets, wasps and bees
this dominates deaths from poisonous/venomous animals in the above plot. Similarly W55 Bitten or struck by other mammals includes boring things like cows on farms.
Well in Finland (what is very dangerous place) in average one person yearly dies from hornet/bee/wasp stings like i said must be the polar bears...
Thats not the figures they're reporting:
http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/
Many deaths per year attributed to envenomation from wasp/bee/hornet in Finland alone. Question remains is exposure higher? or health care worse? or both? We can make easier guesses for countries such as Kazakhstan.

I Would know about that.

I just know in average one person dies from wasp etc stings yearly in Finland.
You say that without presenting any qualification or authority, while the official coroners reports submitted to the international databases say its 3 or so. Lets consider who to trust? Feel free to present any references and data you like rather than insisting that we're wrong.
 

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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 07:27:16 am »
Edit: oh my, allergies! Bee sting.
X23 Contact with hornets, wasps and bees
this dominates deaths from poisonous/venomous animals in the above plot. Similarly W55 Bitten or struck by other mammals includes boring things like cows on farms.
Well in Finland (what is very dangerous place) in average one person yearly dies from hornet/bee/wasp stings like i said must be the polar bears...
Thats not the figures they're reporting:
http://data.euro.who.int/dmdb/
Many deaths per year attributed to envenomation from wasp/bee/hornet in Finland alone. Question remains is exposure higher? or health care worse? or both? We can make easier guesses for countries such as Kazakhstan.

I Would know about that.

I just know in average one person dies from wasp etc stings yearly in Finland.
You say that without presenting any qualification or authority, while the official coroners reports submitted to the international databases say its 3 or so. Lets consider who to trust? Feel free to present any references and data you like rather than insisting that we're wrong.

Long term average death rare from bee/wasp etc sting deaths in Finland is 1.2 for example in 2014 4 people died from bee strings between 2007 to 2009 none.

You can study the Finnish death records here.

http://www.stat.fi/til/ksyyt/index.html
 

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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2017, 07:28:43 am »
I seem to remember (citation unavailable) that most snake bite injuries come from people trying to kill the snake.
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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2017, 07:48:31 am »
I seem to remember (citation unavailable) that most snake bite injuries come from people trying to kill the snake.

Well never good idea to try go and use fist to kill a snake  :popcorn:
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« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2017, 11:19:57 am »
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Being trampled to death by cows is a thing.

I dont know what Animal could you kill you in Austria. We have just ~3 Bears
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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2017, 11:34:11 am »
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Being trampled to death by cows is a thing.

I dont know what Animal could you kill you in Austria. We have just ~3 Bears

Hey by those statistics Austria is almost dangerous as Finland.. Must be all those cows with bells that come over the border from Switzerland with murderous goals.
Of course as healthcare is so much poorer in Austria and Finland people kicked by cows or mauled by polar bears do not get same level of help.  :wtf:
 

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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2017, 12:06:33 pm »
What kinds of animals still kill people in Europe?
Some areas have pretty bad Lyme disease, I hear. Malaria is said to be making a come back in Greece.

Thank God for good old safe Europe with no dangerous wild creatures
The data is not perfect (reporting inconsistencies) and the vertical scale is logarithmic to fit the labels but Australia is far from the worst place to risk your life from animals, below is reliable data plotted across Europe and adding Australia for comparison.
Not from hard statistics but based on news stories I've seen, the deadliest animal in Europe happens to be homo sapiens.  Their target often are other homo sapiens.

In Australia, humans don't have to worry much about being rape by a spider or mugged by a croc.  In Europe, homo sapiens being mugged or rape by another homo sapiens is a daily thing.
We have the statistics freely available, you can check that all you like. From the European Detailed Mortality Database we can see how countries compare for their rates of assaults causing death (attached below) and Australia is quite a bit higher than the average european nation, so with that and the relative rates of deaths from animals (venomous or otherwise) the data shows the exact opposite of your suggestion.

After a slight error I've reuploaded the animal threat comparing europe to Australia:

Seems like europeans are bad at treating venomous animal bites or are they actually more common?

Interestingly the "statistics" in the quoted picture without no resource material or no information how the craft had been constructed claims there are nearly 0.10 deaths per 100.000 people in Finland from "poisonous/venomous plants and animals"

That would mean approximately 5.5 yearly deaths.

In Finland deaths by Bee/wasps/hornets stings are in range of 1.2 deahts per year or 0.021 deaths per 100.000 people.

http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0091-6749(16)30367-0/fulltext

Last death by the only venomous snake the common adder happened almost 20 years ago 1998.

http://www.kyyn-rauhoittaminen-suomessa.com/

Mushrooms and some rare plants are another source of poisons in Finland.

From 1969–2006 there was 8 deaths result from mushroom poisoning (including long term deaths caused by liver or kidney failure)  0.2 people yearly or 0.0038 per 100.000 people

http://www.hus.fi/sairaanhoito/sairaanhoitopalvelut/myrkytystietokeskus/Julkaisuja/Sienimyrkytykset%20ja%20niiden%20hoito.pdf

There are some other poisonous plants in Finland but death caused by such plants is statistically nonexistent.

Question rises what are the claimed other deaths in the "statistic"

I have feeling situation is similar in Austria.. if someone bothers to make a study.

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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2017, 12:06:58 pm »
Years ago there was an electronics project in ETI to scare spiders away. It used ultrasonics. I built one and ran an experiment. They do not work. The same magazine has a high gain op-amp to connect to a cassette recorder AF input to record noises from ghosts. Also designed a pulse charger for NIMH batteries. Electronics hocus pocus.
 
But this isn't hocus pocus: A few years ago I was about to sleep, but in the twilight in the hallway outside the bedroom, I saw all these dark blotches on the wall. I turned on the light to discover an infestation of huntsman spiders. I killed about 30 to 40 babies and the huge mother which was nesting in a nearby linen cupboard. A week later a giant huntsman (maybe the dad) crawled on our bed up to the pillow area. I shoved it off and it hit the floor only to run under the bed which has about a two inch gap to the floor. Bloody terrifying. Around that time over few years, we would find an average of one to two per week inside the house.

Want to see what one looks like? The poms sent convicts to Australia. We sent them this....
http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/giant-huntsman-spider-hitches-a-10000-mile-lift-to-uk-from-australia-in-familys-belongings/news-story/065d477f53e9fa1c59137b66bf3880e9
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2017, 12:32:41 pm »
Just noticed.... Belgium has 5 times the rate of deaths from poisonous/venomous animals and plants compared to turkey.... that i can say is pure bs  :palm:

 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2017, 01:12:17 pm »
In the US Southwest, every year around this time, huge male tarantulas (around the size of a human hand) migrate to find mates, in some areas its quite spectacular, (they can be seen all moving across the land at once, by the millions, when they find a female in her burrow they enter, have sex, and then they die.)

They do not bite. (at least the ones here in the US do not bite unless you are threatening them, and I don't think I have ever heard that they are venomous from anybody.)

Some people actually keep them as pets.

So, the article about the spider stowing away to the UK said huntsman spiders were not venomous? Are some species venomous and some not?

Do huntsman spiders bite people frequently? 

Where I live now we have both black widow spiders (not common) and I think also brown recluse spiders, but I have only seen the black widows a few times, and I don't know enough about brown recluse spiders appearance to recognize them.
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2017, 01:15:58 pm »
I dont know what Animal could you kill you in Austria. We have just ~3 Bears
And a blonde haired girl that breaks into houses and eats porridge that belongs to someone else?
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2017, 01:49:13 pm »
Differences may be because of improved access to health care, in some countries, as much as actual incidence of injuries. For example..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinococcosis is one of a great many endemic / tropical diseases of poverty, very common in Turkey..

Some tropical diseases are not treatable currently, or treatments are very costly or not very effective, largely because of lack of interest among drug manufacturers. ( Maybe this will change as they migrate northward and southward. )

The healthcare situation in Turkey (according to a Wikipedia article) is alleged to have improved a lot over the past few years (according to Turkish government sources which may not be telling the whole story)  I do know that Turkey as well as Mexico and India, and a number of other countries, are pushing hard to become destinations for cross border health related business from subsidized patients in the cash-strapped US and Europe.

Just noticed.... Belgium has 5 times the rate of deaths from poisonous/venomous animals and plants compared to turkey.... that i can say is pure bs  :palm:
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2017, 02:07:47 pm »
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Turkey
isnt (in) Europe.
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2017, 02:09:44 pm »
Some of Turkey is in Europe and most is in Asia.

Turkey straddles the border between Asia and Europe with Istanbul in both.
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2017, 02:12:33 pm »
When you know the People you think different.
Trust me if you would know how the people relay thing you would say that.
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2017, 02:31:17 pm »
Differences may be because of improved access to health care, in some countries, as much as actual incidence of injuries. For example..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinococcosis is one of a great many endemic / tropical diseases of poverty, very common in Turkey..

Some tropical diseases are not treatable currently, or treatments are very costly or not very effective, largely because of lack of interest among drug manufacturers. ( Maybe this will change as they migrate northward and southward. )

The healthcare situation in Turkey (according to a Wikipedia article) is alleged to have improved a lot over the past few years (according to Turkish government sources which may not be telling the whole story)  I do know that Turkey as well as Mexico and India, and a number of other countries, are pushing hard to become destinations for cross border health related business from subsidized patients in the cash-strapped US and Europe.

Just noticed.... Belgium has 5 times the rate of deaths from poisonous/venomous animals and plants compared to turkey.... that i can say is pure bs  :palm:

I hope your not saying that healthcare is better in Turkey compared to Belgium  :palm:
 
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2017, 02:39:15 pm »
In the US Southwest, every year around this time, huge male tarantulas (around the size of a human hand) migrate to find mates, in some areas its quite spectacular, (they can be seen all moving across the land at once, by the millions, when they find a female in her burrow they enter, have sex, and then they die.)
I saw that once, driving from San Antonio to New Mexico in early July.  Somewhere in west Texas we turned north off of I-10 and a couple miles later there were tarantulas EVERYWHERE.  Millions of them all over the road walking to the east...SUPER creepy since I had never heard about it before.  It lasted a few miles and then stopped.

 

Where I live now we have both black widow spiders (not common) and I think also brown recluse spiders, but I have only seen the black widows a few times, and I don't know enough about brown recluse spiders appearance to recognize them.
I highly recommend doing some research on them.  Brown recluse spiders are BAD news, I am so thankful we don't have them here in CO, but when I lived in TX they were a problem.  My dad got bit by two of them on two separate occasions.  One was in a shirt that he put on, it bit him on the stomach just below the belly button.  Over the next couple of weeks his skin just started eroding away and it left a pit in his stomach.  The other was in a shoe, when he put it on it bit the bottom of his foot.  Same story there, his foot started eating away and he ended up needing a skin graft.  Even though I don't live in BR territory anymore, I still shake out all of my clothes and shoes before putting them on.
 
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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2017, 04:33:49 pm »
Years ago there was an electronics project in ETI to scare spiders away. It used ultrasonics. I built one and ran an experiment. They do not work.

It just requires more power.  With a parabolic reflector and suitable source, an ultrasonic transmitter should catch spiders on fire.

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But this isn't hocus pocus: A few years ago I was about to sleep, but in the twilight in the hallway outside the bedroom, I saw all these dark blotches on the wall. I turned on the light to discover an infestation of huntsman spiders. I killed about 30 to 40 babies and the huge mother which was nesting in a nearby linen cupboard.
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2017, 08:35:28 pm »
We have the statistics freely available, you can check that all you like. From the European Detailed Mortality Database...

Interestingly the "statistics" in the quoted picture without no resource material or no information how the craft had been constructed claims there are nearly 0.10 deaths per 100.000 people in Finland from "poisonous/venomous plants and animals"
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Question rises what are the claimed other deaths in the "statistic"

I have feeling situation is similar in Austria.. if someone bothers to make a study.
You can get the same data and present your own interpretation of it, this is quickly throwing up the reported deaths from broad ICD-10 codes as delivered in a convenient format from the European Detailed Mortality Database.
If you really want to reproduce it the specific codes used for the two axis were:
X20-X29 inclusive
W53-W64 inclusive
You could use a larger time series where available but controlling for reporting differences gets harder the further back you go so this took the default settings from the database which is most recent year reported. A cursory check was made to be sure there weren't any extreme outliers by comparing results across several random years for each country but you're welcome to pull all the data through and average it if you want to spend the time.
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2017, 11:32:59 pm »
Differences may be because of improved access to health care, in some countries, as much as actual incidence of injuries. For example..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinococcosis is one of a great many endemic / tropical diseases of poverty, very common in Turkey..

Some tropical diseases are not treatable currently, or treatments are very costly or not very effective, largely because of lack of interest among drug manufacturers. ( Maybe this will change as they migrate northward and southward. )

The healthcare situation in Turkey (according to a Wikipedia article) is alleged to have improved a lot over the past few years (according to Turkish government sources which may not be telling the whole story)  I do know that Turkey as well as Mexico and India, and a number of other countries, are pushing hard to become destinations for cross border health related business from subsidized patients in the cash-strapped US and Europe.

Just noticed.... Belgium has 5 times the rate of deaths from poisonous/venomous animals and plants compared to turkey.... that i can say is pure bs  :palm:
And you found these in a Wiki article?
Wow this must be some research...

You realize that the entire Europe has universal healtcare? That nobody in their right mind ever said: I'm going to Turkey for a surgery. Because you do that at home. Yes, sometimes you have to pay for something. Like last time, I had to pay 8 entire euros for half a dozen X ray shots and the analysis of it.

It would cost up to a thousand dollar in the land of the free. The name is ironic, isn't it?
 

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Re: Why, Australia, WHY?
« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2017, 11:36:31 pm »
Back to electronics please
 


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