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Offline JetForMeTopic starter

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Why do 74-series counters label their enable pins T and P?
« on: December 05, 2022, 12:14:56 am »
I posed this question to StackExchange, but figured I'd ask here, too. There are a couple of answers, but they’re not quite complete, I think:

A few 74-series counter ICs I’ve looked at have two enable pins, and they’re labeled “T” and “P” (for example, the [color=var(--theme-link-color-visited)]74LS161A[/iurl], or [color=var(--theme-link-color-visited)]74ALS867A[/color]). The “T” input affects the ripple carry out, and the data sheets say this pins are used to enable cascading ICs, but they’re not precise about how to connect them.[/font][/size][/color]

After some experimentation, I tied the ENT pins together to use as a global enable, and tied the RCO of the lower stage to the ENP input of the upper stage:



This behaves as expected, but what do “T” and “P” stand for?
 

Offline Benta

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Re: Why do 74-series counters label their enable pins T and P?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2022, 01:36:14 am »
Wow, totally obsolete parts. Nostalgia.
But anyway: ENP/CEP or ENT/CET: no one knows how names come into being. I agree they are not logical.
Functionally, they do make a difference in longer (12+ bits), high-speed counters.
 

Online Andy Watson

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Re: Why do 74-series counters label their enable pins T and P?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2022, 01:57:56 am »
Can't you acccept that they just ARE - it's the way of the world, etc.. :)

Ok, this is really a guess, but:
ENP enables the clock Pulse to the chain of flip-flops. ENT enables the ripple carry forward (RCO) - so it enables the next cahin of  flip-flops to Toggle.
 

Offline Swainster

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Re: Why do 74-series counters label their enable pins T and P?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2022, 02:04:42 am »
ENable Parallel and ENable Trickle (but they are interchangeable). As Andy Watson says, its for chaining/cascading of multiple counters, although in this case they are synchronous rather than ripple counters. One enable goes to the previous counter, the other is for parallel load.
 

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Re: Why do 74-series counters label their enable pins T and P?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2022, 07:40:55 am »
enable_p and enable_t are NOT interchangeable.

As pointed out above they are for parallel and trickle enables.
All the parallel enables are usually connected together to enable/disable all the counters.
The enable_T is used to form a combined parallel/serial* carry chain to enable the counters to be cascaded (as shown in the circuit given earlier).
Note the different wiring to the ripple out in the circuit below.

* Within the counter IC the carry is parallel with ripple between each stage.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2022, 07:51:54 am by pgo »
 

Offline Swainster

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Re: Why do 74-series counters label their enable pins T and P?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2022, 03:15:22 pm »
Actually, come to think of it, that makes a lot more sense, otherwise they wouldn't have given them different letter suffixes. I stand corrected!
 


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