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Why do so many people here go nuts over very low quality gear from China?
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jadew:

--- Quote from: all_repair on December 21, 2019, 12:42:51 am ---I think consumer is much smarter than we think.  Most of these spec or regulatory requirement are not affecting them, and not paying for those "spec" is what they have chosen.  For spec that really affect them, they shall react immediately like the false capacity claimed by some battery makers.

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That's probably true, but in the case of RF gear, I think this is a little different, because the consumers are less informed then they think they are. I would say that it's almost the same as selling garbage electronics to regular joe.

IMO, if you don't buy from a reputable seller (and there are actually many small-time sellers that qualify), you're going to get garbage, almost invariably.

Edit: Maybe this is just my skewed POV, and maybe those things that I do buy, thinking that I know what I'm doing, are also garbage to a more knowledgeable customer.



--- Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 21, 2019, 12:46:51 am ---The enemies of supermarkets would go back to the "old days", replace them with grocers, delicatessens, farmers' markets, etc., with less convenience and a far higher price. Often, the groups pushing this regressive agenda are motivated by ideology or self-interest rather than by facts and hard data.

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That is not true. I have no vested interest in the vegetable business, but I would still pay a little more and eat something less often, knowing that when I do eat it, it's healthy and it wasn't grown on a shelf with substances being injected directly in it.

A friend of mine worked on an apple (or cherry, can't remember) plant in Italy and told me his job was to drill fist size holes in trees and put fertilizer straight in. I think there is some merit to stepping back a little and thinking about weather this is what we want or not.
blacksheeplogic:

--- Quote from: all_repair on December 21, 2019, 12:42:51 am ---I think consumer is much smarter than we think.  Most of these spec or regulatory requirement are not affecting them, and not paying for those "spec" is what they have chosen.  For spec that really affect them, they shall react immediately like the false capacity claimed by some battery makers.

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That just emphasis my point, they not purchasing believing the spec sheet, they purchasing on price.
all_repair:

--- Quote from: blacksheeplogic on December 21, 2019, 01:00:01 am ---
--- Quote from: all_repair on December 21, 2019, 12:42:51 am ---I think consumer is much smarter than we think.  Most of these spec or regulatory requirement are not affecting them, and not paying for those "spec" is what they have chosen.  For spec that really affect them, they shall react immediately like the false capacity claimed by some battery makers.

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That just emphasis my point, they not purchasing believing the spec sheet, they purchasing on price.

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Yes, you are right.  In addition, what they want is fulfilled.  Not the additional claims or disclaimers, who got time for that ? 
BravoV:
I guess a lot of people here want this great golden era to come back, where everything were made, manufactured domestically.

An example just for simple very popular Simpson 260 multimeter, forget about more advanced tools like oscilloscope or even VNA.  :scared:

blacksheeplogic:

--- Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 21, 2019, 12:46:51 am ---Today, young Bruno in Brazil or Tiras in Tunisia can save up to buy an oscilloscope, VNA, etc. which some idealists would dismiss as "a piece of crap", but which will let them see and measure things they would otherwise never be able to. And this is the world I want to live in.

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It's tangential, the point I'm making is that the decision to purchase is price based not a misleading spec sheet. While I don't agree in principal on falsification I don't think this is a major factor in harming the local market.

Also, I'm not convinced 'piece of crap' is justified in most cases. For the price paid it's fair quality and often better. If I pay for a cheap plastic case and that's what I receive why is this crap? That meets my requirements. Sure I would like the 1000x more expensive case but I did not pay for it (I could have but I did not). If on the other hand I pay for the premium case and I revive a cheap enclosure, yea I received crap.

The problem is caused by consumers who purchase the lowest cost widget and whine that it's crap compared to the 1000x more expensive product.
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