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| blacksheeplogic:
--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on December 21, 2019, 03:10:00 am ---If some kind of law was passed where manufacturing has to be done locally immediately, I could see the prices of everything skyrocket, but it would stabilize. I don't think they would go as low as they are now, but with all these new jobs created it would overall be better for the economy. More tax payers and less people on social services could even mean that taxes could come down which is one of the largest costs of living so at the end you would have more money. (at least in theory... we all know governments would never actually lower taxes). --- End quote --- I think what would happen is that everyone would cheer, clap, dance, and pat themselves on the back, talk about how they were leading the way etc. Then, they would hop on the internet buying cheap widgets as they currently do shipped to their door from the international markets. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 21, 2019, 12:46:51 am ---There is an analogy in supermarkets. Hipsters complain that they exploit farmers and screw manufacturers. But they give people what they want at rewardingly low prices. The average person can eat better at a supermarket today, for less, than anywhere else at any other time in history (of course you have to read the ingredients and compare prices per unit mass/volume). The enemies of supermarkets would go back to the "old days", replace them with grocers, delicatessens, farmers' markets, etc., with less convenience and a far higher price. Often, the groups pushing this regressive agenda are motivated by ideology or self-interest rather than by facts and hard data. Today, young Bruno in Brazil or Tiras in Tunisia can save up to buy an oscilloscope, VNA, etc. which some idealists would dismiss as "a piece of crap", but which will let them see and measure things they would otherwise never be able to. And this is the world I want to live in. --- End quote --- I don't think we agree that the supermarkets are giving customers the lowest possible price. Just because they tell you that on the TV doesn't mean it's true. |
| I wanted a rude username:
I ... didn't say they do? |
| unitedatoms:
--- Quote ---Why do so many people here go nuts over very low quality gear from China? --- End quote --- This is a political question about one nation, Chinese. Their history is based on one success story of discovery of mass production (First emperor and his factories with low cost iron arrow heads). Mass production has a value, that certain recipies have some cost effect when being scaled. That is their core belief. A little different from say, Japanese belief, that certain long standing focus of a singular person is an answer to any problem. The western values are not much different, the belief is that hard work (read, high cost) is worth an effort, because there is a project of building of heaven on earth. Each of three is mild madness, on which the economies stand. The answer is in understanding of transferability of recipies, justification of effort and how the society is proving the goals being reached. China is wrong thinking that recipies are transferrable as information entity. The real recipies are infinite. They are never are separatable from environment where an artifacts are made. Cost is not everything. Crap is crap. Japanese are wrong thinking, that focus is worthy. Because the practitioner will eventually die of old age. So the art will be lost. West is has advantage being mad about effort. So no one proved that heaven on earth project has failed. That's why we have exorbitant prices on parts. Because people are ready to pay for it. To make things happen in right way, no matter what. So to answer the quoted question. Because so many of the people, do not realize how weak most of ideologies really are. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on December 21, 2019, 03:10:00 am ---If some kind of law was passed where manufacturing has to be done locally immediately, I could see the prices of everything skyrocket, but it would stabilize. I don't think they would go as low as they are now, but with all these new jobs created it would overall be better for the economy. More tax payers and less people on social services could even mean that taxes could come down which is one of the largest costs of living so at the end you would have more money. (at least in theory... we all know governments would never actually lower taxes). --- End quote --- Yeah, Trumps dream ^. Instead tariffs are implemented to dissuade buyers from buying imported goods and importers margins get cut to absorb tariffs such is the inter-brand marketplace competition. Buyers win, gubbermints win with increased tariff revenue to spend on their hobby horses. Alternatively, multi-national corporates raise their middle finger to producing in a country and take their production facilities elsewhere where they will be welcomed with open arms for the new employment opportunities they offer. There is no simple solution. |
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