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Why do so many people here go nuts over very low quality gear from China?
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OwO:
I don't see how this is about China vs West. This is about new low cost test equipment disrupting the market which I think is long overdue. For years I wondered why test equipment vendors (and other big corporations) get away with charging so high margin and why nobody undercut them (which I saw as easy to do). I still wonder the same thing about parts distributors and why all big 3 tend to have the exact same prices, when I've seen small OEMs get chips at 1/20th the price direct from Xilinx at volumes of a few hundred.
Black Phoenix:

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--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 20, 2019, 12:45:31 am ---Second is similar to first.  Join most other western manufacturers and have your widget manufactured in China.

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And have your design ripped off? Problem is, Chinese aren't idiots willing to slave for Westerner capitalists indefinitely. They will soon be America and have their own China somewhere else and America will be left behind obsolete. Live by globalism, die by globalism.


--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 20, 2019, 12:45:31 am ---Second, there will be a period of very unfair competition as low cost economies have less stringent requirements on a number of cost elements (environmental, work protection .... ) in all phases from raw materials to final assembly and test.  As these economies become more mature the playing field will level somewhat, but probably still by tilted by different opinions on what is fair and just.
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A period? That's what they told you so you accept it but it certainly isn't ending within anyone's lifetime yet.

There are of course another upcoming low cost economies in the making. The economic model of breeding peasants and rendering them obsolete by technology to slave away for foreign libertarians is far from being depleted.

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--- Quote from: OwO on December 20, 2019, 09:27:02 am ---I don't see how this is about China vs West. This is about new low cost test equipment disrupting the market which I think is long overdue. For years I wondered why test equipment vendors (and other big corporations) get away with charging so high margin and why nobody undercut them (which I saw as easy to do). I still wonder the same thing about parts distributors and why all big 3 tend to have the exact same prices, when I've seen small OEMs get chips at 1/20th the price direct from Xilinx at volumes of a few hundred.

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When this kind of comments start to pop up (in bold), well it's hard to separate what is a on topic conversation or something that is going to go out of hand fast... Well then I'm sorry if it wasn't the meaning of this, I must have misjudged then.
Kilrah:

--- Quote from: jadew on December 20, 2019, 04:57:46 am ---People I asked literally told me that they don't need anything more than the NanoVNA... can't argue with that.

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Then if that many people find it good enough for their use it disproves your claim that it's garbage :)
 
I do agree that the certification requirements in our regions are excessive, I travel a lot and see stuff everywhere that would not meet a single safety standard we have, yet people don't die left and right nor do buildings go on fire all the time.
For me a lot of standards are way overkill in terms of safety, but if you think a little they have most likely just been passed "in the name of safety" by local companies more prominently as a way to raise the bar to protect themselves by making it hard for competition to reach it...
ebclr:
I'm quite happy With my trash nano VNA and also happy with my trash 6USD atmega Transistor tester, WIth my Rigols, and Siglents.

The only fragile point is the firmware and software, that Chinese simply can't do in a professional way, I really don't understand why they are so bad in this area.
bd139:
What's the deal? Everything I own is made in China and it all works fine!  :palm:

Some "low quality gear from China" I own that's pretty good:

1. Ender 3
2. NanoVNA
3. DS1054Z
4. Various STM32/AVR dev boards

It's a race to the bottom and I rather like having more spending power thanks.
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