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| Red Squirrel:
--- Quote from: james_s on December 21, 2019, 12:07:00 am --- --- Quote from: tautech on December 20, 2019, 11:26:47 pm ---We can thank the west for bringing the Asians up to speed firstly and how they have the skills and knowledge to continue to push the boundary's of performance vs price. Still I'm with the OP, if a datasheet spec says something it needs be met or we can rightly call it junk. Caveat emptor ! --- End quote --- That's my biggest gripe about the low cost gear, not so much that the performance is lacking for the price, but the fact that the performance doesn't match the claimed spec. People don't (or shouldn't) expect high performance from low end gear but it's perfectly reasonable to expect it to perform as advertised. --- End quote --- I hate that crap too, and it makes it even harder to compete because if you want to make a competing product not only do you need to try to make it cheaper but you need to try to make it the same or better spec. Meanwhile they cheated by lying about the spec. Power related stuff like inverters is the worse for that. |
| blacksheeplogic:
--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on December 21, 2019, 12:13:35 am --- --- Quote from: james_s on December 21, 2019, 12:07:00 am --- --- Quote from: tautech on December 20, 2019, 11:26:47 pm ---Still I'm with the OP, if a datasheet spec says something it needs be met or we can rightly call it junk. --- End quote --- That's my biggest gripe about the low cost gear, not so much that the performance is lacking for the price, but the fact that the performance doesn't match the claimed spec. People don't (or shouldn't) expect high performance from low end gear but it's perfectly reasonable to expect it to perform as advertised. --- End quote --- I hate that crap too, and it makes it even harder to compete because if you want to make a competing product not only do you need to try to make it cheaper but you need to try to make it the same or better spec. Meanwhile they cheated by lying about the spec. Power related stuff like inverters is the worse for that. --- End quote --- The problem is that often that is very quickly revealed, and what do consumers do? They buy the widget any way. A good examples were Uni-T meters advertising Cat IV ratings, it was pretty obvious they did not meet the spec, but not only did their meters continue to sell but the masses came out and defended the meter. Bottom line, the consumer is purchasing based on price almost exclusively, they then insistently complain it's low quality, it's robbing jobs from the local market, it did not meet the spec etc. All perfectly obvious and well known before the decision to BUY. In most cases in the consumer market there is need (which these products satisfy) and dick waving (which the spec sheet satisfies). This who need equipment that meet actual specs are not being blindsided by this, to the contra we find it really difficult to purchase locally because the manufactures, suppliers (and retailers) there once were are gone. Joe decided long ago not to support the local market. Unfortunately, Joe was also too short sighted to realize he was also sending his job overseas along with the skill investment companies made. |
| all_repair:
I don't know if your product is really better, you can loose at the end if your competitor is actually not as good but is beating you in the false advertising. This may happen to finance product. For actual devices, false advertising kills their brand almost immediately in the era of internet where information travels so fast. |
| all_repair:
" The problem is that often that is very quickly revealed, and what do consumers do? They buy the widget any way. A good examples were Uni-T meters advertising Cat IV ratings, it was pretty obvious they did not meet the spec, but not only did their meters continue to sell but the masses came out and defended the meter. Bottom line, the consumer is purchasing based on price almost exclusively, they then insistently complain it's low quality, it's robbing jobs from the local market, it did not meet the spec etc. " I think consumer is much smarter than we think. Most of these spec or regulatory requirement are not affecting them, and not paying for those "spec" is what they have chosen. For spec that really affect them, they shall react immediately like the false capacity claimed by some battery makers. |
| I wanted a rude username:
There is an analogy in supermarkets. Hipsters complain that they exploit farmers and screw manufacturers. But they give people what they want at rewardingly low prices. The average person can eat better at a supermarket today, for less, than anywhere else at any other time in history (of course you have to read the ingredients and compare prices per unit mass/volume). The enemies of supermarkets would go back to the "old days", replace them with grocers, delicatessens, farmers' markets, etc., with less convenience and a far higher price. Often, the groups pushing this regressive agenda are motivated by ideology or self-interest rather than by facts and hard data. Today, young Bruno in Brazil or Tiras in Tunisia can save up to buy an oscilloscope, VNA, etc. which some idealists would dismiss as "a piece of crap", but which will let them see and measure things they would otherwise never be able to. And this is the world I want to live in. |
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