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Why do the big "guns" get more credits for their technical skills?

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pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 26, 2022, 02:15:46 pm ---As to the other thread and me "bashing" anyone, I do believe I have demonstrated here and elsewhere that I do not hate people, I hate specific behaviours. 

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That contradicts with an other statement of yours, where you specifically state that "you hate people but like individuals"  :)

But this thread shows that it is possible to have a discussion without "overheating" and I think that it has to do with how people perceive what is written. Some just don't see the difference between an attack on a person or on their behavior. And then without taking time to think about it hit the reply button and start spewing their emotions. Understandable, but it leads to "overheating" when others do the same.


--- Quote from: tooki on September 26, 2022, 10:58:27 am ---The problem is that it’s often not hypocrisy: one party may be much more knowledgeable about the situation, whereas the “idol”-bashers frequently come from a place of clickbait headlines and blind hatred.  To them, any and all defense of the person is idolatry, no matter how factually correct the defense may be. The mere act of defending constitutes idolatry to them; the inaccuracy of their own accusations is irrelevant to them.

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I guess it depends on the situation and how things are expressed, but go and find yourself the recent events I'm referring to where I perceive it as hypocrisy. The keen observers know what I'm hinting at. >:D

tooki:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on September 26, 2022, 03:03:00 pm ---Branding and quality are not orthogonal.  A bit pedantic, but if they were truly orthogonal there would be no relationship between brands and quality.  Which is reputed because there are some brands based on quality. 

The old HP.  Craftsman.  Snap On.   Rolls-Royce.  L. L. Bean.

These associations may not last (HP), but at least for some period of time the product, the brand and the marketing are all tied together.  And most important, that connection is intentional.

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No, man, just no.

You’re conflating quality, marketing, and reputation. Actual quality is completely orthogonal to marketing. Perceived quality (which isn’t actual quality) and reputation are definitely influenced by marketing, but none of those actually affect quality.

Note that there’s a unidirectional direct relationship between actual quality and perceived quality/reputarion
Actual quality can definitely directly affect perceived quality. But perceived quality doesn’t directly affect actual quality. (That’s defined by the materials and manufacturing processes only.)

tooki:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 26, 2022, 03:58:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on September 26, 2022, 10:58:27 am ---The problem is that it’s often not hypocrisy: one party may be much more knowledgeable about the situation, whereas the “idol”-bashers frequently come from a place of clickbait headlines and blind hatred.  To them, any and all defense of the person is idolatry, no matter how factually correct the defense may be. The mere act of defending constitutes idolatry to them; the inaccuracy of their own accusations is irrelevant to them.

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I guess it depends on the situation and how things are expressed, but go and find yourself the recent events I'm referring to where I perceive it as hypocrisy. The keen observers know what I'm hinting at. >:D

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If you want me to look at something, send me a link. I’m not wasting my time on guessing games.

pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on September 26, 2022, 03:03:00 pm ---Branding and quality are not orthogonal.  A bit pedantic, but if they were truly orthogonal there would be no relationship between brands and quality.  Which is reputed because there are some brands based on quality. 

The old HP.  Craftsman.  Snap On.   Rolls-Royce.  L. L. Bean.

These associations may not last (HP), but at least for some period of time the product, the brand and the marketing are all tied together.  And most important, that connection is intentional.

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The two are at least not connected together as they used to be. Quality and long levity have diminished over the last decades. Probably also has to do with the rise of so many brands and of course reduction in price.

But for some brands I feel I pay to much for the quality I get, just because of the brand. Look at power tools. I have a Bosh cordless screwdriver with "special" electronics in there, and it sucks. Was not cheap, but of course when it ran out of warranty it started to show weird behavior. Not working when I pull the trigger. Bang it against something and it works again, but not all the time Took it apart, re soldered joints, checked the circuit board, etc. No dice. When the battery is less full it seems to work better, but still not all the time. So not to happy with it, and when I am in need of another I don't think it will be a Bosh again. The one I had before, also a Bosh worked fine for many years until the brushes gave in. Had minimum amount of electronics in it.

So a popular brand is not a guarantee for quality.

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 26, 2022, 03:58:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on September 26, 2022, 02:15:46 pm ---As to the other thread and me "bashing" anyone, I do believe I have demonstrated here and elsewhere that I do not hate people, I hate specific behaviours. 

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That contradicts with an other statement of yours, where you specifically state that "you hate people but like individuals"  :)

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There is no contradiction.   If you do see one, it is only due to my insufficient control of the English language.

The former means I do not hate any single person, but do hate specific behaviours.  The latter means I dislike groups of people, even though I like individual persons.  The "hate" in the latter is hyperbole, too; intended to highlight the difference between my attitude between individuals and groups of people.
My dislike for groups isn't in-built, either; it has slowly grown due to the typical group behaviour dynamics, which I dislike.  Essentially, I do not dislike groups of people, but the typical behaviours I see when people form larger groups.  (My own limits are such that while I can separate person and behaviour, I really cannot separate groups of persons from the observed collective behaviour of the group.)


--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on September 26, 2022, 03:58:59 pm ---But this thread shows that it is possible to have a discussion without "overheating"
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It is important to remember that any reaction to what someone writes on the net, is not based on the person of the writer, but only on their output.  We do not perceive the person themselves, except through what they write; and the perception is largely defined by our own experiences, and is fully subjective, not objective.

As to hypocrisy – in the "the practice of engaging in the same behaviour or activity for which one criticises another" sense –, we are all occasionally guilty of it; it too is natural.  What really matters, is whether one examines ones own behaviour the same way they examine others' behaviour, rationally.

It is my hope that the same criteria and examination is extended to all, regardless of fame/brand/attractiveness/accomplishments/title, including to "big guns".  And in the same vein, that you can still appreciate a person, and/or their work, while doing that examination.  And, that even when someone isn't a "big gun", what they have to say or show can be just as important and useful as anything a "big gun" might produce.

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