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So I moved into a new house built in the US in the 2000's. My lap top which has a metal case around the keyboard my iPhone and my ecig all things that have metal "feel" like they have electricity in them when you run your hand down them. I first noticed it in the iPhone thinking it was high frequency RF; it feels just like when you run your finger down a plasma globe and your finger kind of sticks I guess. But realized everything plugged in does it. The authentic iPhone power cube thing  has no connection from neutral to ground correct? So this is coming from the neutral? I think I have tried my SDR out here and didn't see any noise but I'm going to try it again when I find it.

The laptop sucks because I shave my legs and arms and when the hair is really short the electric feeling hurts! As soon as I unplug my laptop I can put it on my legs again.
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 01:21:39 am »
If you don't get such feelings with that equipment in other locations, then there is something peculiar about your house.

Get the mains wiring checked by a competent electrician; there may be a serious problem.

As for anybody on this forum offering a diagnosis... how could they? You don't reveal your location, and electric practices vary significantly according to location.
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 01:36:01 am »
Live/neutral could be wired in reverse.
 

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 01:42:26 am »
Apple devices (iPads and MacBooks especially) when being used with the standard 2-pronged mains adapter are notorious for it. You can get grounded versions of the mains adapters which should eliminate this problem.

However, if you get the same kind of sensation from your metal taps (assuming you have copper/metal plumbing), you could have a bad earth or a faulty RCD (or both). Either way, it can be a serious problem and one day cause injury if left the way it is. Get an electrician to have a look.

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 02:48:30 am »
Check to see if Mike Pence owned the house before you!  :-DD

Somewhat political jokes aside, I got nothing. I just wanted to make that joke, carry on.
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2018, 03:32:22 am »
Apple devices (iPads and MacBooks especially) when being used with the standard 2-pronged mains adapter are notorious for it. You can get grounded versions of the mains adapters which should eliminate this problem.

However, if you get the same kind of sensation from your metal taps (assuming you have copper/metal plumbing), you could have a bad earth or a faulty RCD (or both). Either way, it can be a serious problem and one day cause injury if left the way it is. Get an electrician to have a look.

The laptop sucks because I shave my legs and arms and when the hair is really short the electric feeling hurts! As soon as I unplug my laptop I can put it on my legs again.

Thanks for the visual.  :D

That's my best feature I have hot legs and feet. The other day I got three complements for them. Pink toe nail polish gets the most complements. I might have a jpeg of me in open toed high heels with my laptop on my legs if you want to see it.  ;D
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2018, 03:43:31 am »
Possibly bad neutral to earth bonding at the main service entrance?  The neutral and ground are supposed to be bonded together at the service entrance/main disconnect.  Bear in mind that when the breaker panel is more than a few feet from the service entrance the main disconnect (and therefore the neutral bond) is at the meter rather than at the breaker panel.

On one or more of the problem receptacles, measure the voltage between the hot outlet slot (the narrower one) and ground, and also between the neutral (the wider one) and ground.  The hot should be 120 Vac plus or minus a few volts relative to ground, and the neutral to ground should be no more than perhaps 3-5V if the circuit is heavily loaded and in use; if not in use it should be less than half a volt or so.

From another site when I googled "US electrical code neutral to ground voltage limit":

https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/10909/acceptable-ground-to-neutral-voltage

If you're not comfortable checking it, or if it winds up being high, obtaining the services of an electrician would probably be a good idea.

Best of luck with it.

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2018, 03:46:15 am »
That's my best feature I have hot legs and feet. The other day I got three complements for them. Pink toe nail polish gets the most complements. I might have a jpeg of me in open toed high heels with my laptop on my legs if you want to see it.  ;D

Since you're sharing... go for it. It won't help diagnose your electrical issue, but it would be entertaining nonetheless.
 

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 06:47:33 am »
That's my best feature I have hot legs and feet. The other day I got three complements for them. Pink toe nail polish gets the most complements. I might have a jpeg of me in open toed high heels with my laptop on my legs if you want to see it.  ;D
I take that you're a software engineer? Electrical engineers rarely paint their nails, but it is somewhat more common among software engineers. (Of course, an EE would probably already have figured it out and wouldn't be asking...)

If you have a surge protector that can check the ground, does it show any faults?
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 06:59:59 am »
Incidentally, I have a similar experience using my laptop on my (bare) lap (and no, I don't shave) -- the problem in this case is that the docking port is always exposed, and the tips of the power pins can just barely be touched, say by some skin that's pushed up into the receptacle by the weight of the laptop.  Only seems to be noticeable in summer, which coincides with increased sweat production, and the reduced use of pants.

The current apparently can be very small.  Another time, I was working on a project: bare metal chassis, battery powered (24V).  With the chassis sitting on my lap, and the 24V power being fully isolated, I don't feel anything; however, if I merely touch the +24V terminal with my finger -- dry, > 300kohms -- I feel the subtle yet distinctive sensation of myriad tiny pinpricks on my thighs!

I don't know offhand if body-negative produces a different sensation (I imagine it does -- the electrochemical consequence is acid in this case, versus base in the other).

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 08:59:22 am »
Here's a simple, quick experiment to see if it's actually capacitive coupling from the 50/60Hz mains, or not. This assumes you don't have a multimeter. I'm basing that guess not on the toenail polish, but that you asked this question at all - which you wouldn't if you had a multimeter, since you'd have already tried measuring the voltage present, and how it varies with loading to ground.

You need only two things:
1. A definite earth ground somewhere 'nearby' where you normally use the laptop that gives you the electric feeling on contact.
    'Nearby' means anywhere you have enough wire to reach, really. A metal water pipe visibly coming out of the ground is a good one.
    You can't rely on water taps etc in modern houses to be 'ground', since they may be using plastic pipework. Even the taps can be plastic.

2. Some wire. Doesn't really matter what sort, just that you can bare the ends, and it's long enough.

I won't suggest using the ground pin (if any) of a mains wall socket as a ground reference, because maybe they are wired wrong, and also because of what I'm suggesting you do.

Connect one end of the wire solidly to the bare metal pipe (no paint!) Clamping it on with something like a G-clamp is best. But just wrapping a few turns of bare wire tightly round and twisting it will do. Best to clean the pipe at contact point with some steel wool or stainless scourer pad if you can.

While doing the following, don't touch the free bare wire end yourself, just in case there really is significant live voltage on the laptop.

Set up with your laptop, check that you can feel the tingle from it atm.

Hold the wire by the insulation. Touch the wire end to the laptop metal parts you get the tingle from.  (You may want to tape it on.)
With it touching  can you still feel a tingle from the laptop?
In the dark, can you see a very tiny spark as you touch them together? Being able to see a spark does happen, and it means the problem is quite bad.

If the tingle goes away while the ground wire is touching the laptop, then yes, it's capacitive coupling of mains through the laptop power supply.  All 'ungrounded' and some grounded supplies supplies do this to some extent, but the amount varies widely depending on a few factors:

Whether the Active and Neutral wires are reversed in the house wiring. (The Neutral wire is _supposed_ to be at Ground potential.)

The amount of mains-side to DC side capacitance in the power supply. The worst cases are typically where the PS expects a mains cord with third ground wire, and has filter caps from both A & N mains wires to ground, and connects the DC 0V line to that ground, BUT THERE IS NO GROUND connection due to some wiring fault. This can be quite dangerous.

Whether the appliance, laptop etc, is double insulated. Ie is the DC supply connected to exposed metal. (Laptops mostly are connected.)

How much free space capacitance and resistance there is in your environment between your body and the Earth's surface. This can vary a lot. eg What else is your body touching? Bare feet or insulating shoes? Metal frame or insulating chair? Is the floor wooden, or concrete with steel reinforcing, etc? Ground floor or upper floors? What other wiring is nearby? and so on.


Skin can be remarkably sensitive to tiny electric currents, some areas more than others. Inner wrists for example.


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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 05:02:46 pm »
That's my best feature I have hot legs and feet. The other day I got three complements for them. Pink toe nail polish gets the most complements. I might have a jpeg of me in open toed high heels with my laptop on my legs if you want to see it.  ;D
I take that you're a software engineer? Electrical engineers rarely paint their nails, but it is somewhat more common among software engineers. (Of course, an EE would probably already have figured it out and wouldn't be asking...)

If you have a surge protector that can check the ground, does it show any faults?

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At another place when I measured from neutral to ground I got a reading of 60 VAC I'm guessing that just coupling and has no real current behind it? So that is bad wiring or normal for long parallel wires to do that?
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2018, 06:39:04 pm »
If you're seeing 60V between the neutral and ground, then there's definitely a bonding problem.  What is the reading between the hot and the ground?

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2018, 06:56:19 pm »
I had the same (electrical) problem, but only at night. After a long search over a few weeks it turned out that the public street lights had a bad wiring and leaked voltage to ground.

After I reported it, the electrocity company  quickly fixed it.

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2018, 10:01:39 pm »
I had the same (electrical) problem, but only at night. After a long search over a few weeks it turned out that the public street lights had a bad wiring and leaked voltage to ground.

After I reported it, the electrocity company  quickly fixed it.

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That's scary. I still haven't found my multimeter so results as soon as I find it! I suspect its some appliance or something in the house.
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 11:16:55 pm »
At another place when I measured from neutral to ground I got a reading of 60 VAC I'm guessing that just coupling and has no real current behind it? So that is bad wiring or normal for long parallel wires to do that?

I seem to recall that some (all?) 120V AC wiring systems use street transformers where the 120V customer-side winding is center tapped, with the center being grounded, and the two live wires being 60V AC anti-phase, ie 120V AC.
The theory being that's a relatively (ha!) safe voltage to ground. But that was just something I read somewhere.
Here in Oz we use 240AC, grounded-Neutral domestic wiring, with transformers only at area level (a few housing blocks, or per-factory) for the 3-phase 11KV 3-wire delta distribution to 3-phase 415V/240V 4-wire grounded-center star conversion.

The way to tell if AC voltage present on the outside of an appliance is due to a fault, or just capacitive coupling, is to measure how the induced voltage changes with resistive load to a true ground. Something like a 10W 2K2 ohm resistor will drop it to very little. (Only needs to be a big 10W one, in case you're dealing with a direct connection to mains. In which case you're risking your life anyway. Normally a tiny 1/4 W resistor would be fine.) And then you can work out the current and hence the capacitance of the coupling.

The suggestion to try a direct wired short to ground, is assuming it's definitely only a small capacitive coupling. Because if it was a direct conductance fault, you wouldn't be alive now to ask the question.

Re multimeters - ha. What's even more stereotypical of non-technical nature than not having a multimeter?
A: Having one, but not knowing where it is.   :)

Btw, when you do find it, what are you going to measure the laptop case voltage relative to?
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2018, 01:24:10 am »
Terrahertz -

In the US, residential power comes from a 240V center tapped distribution transformer - it is 240V line to line, and 120V line to neutral.  The neutral is connected to the center tap of the distributioin transformer, and is connected to earth ground at the service entrance to the dwelling.  The neutral should not be more than a few volts at worst (that under heavy load due to IR drop in the run to the breaker box) above ground potential, and should typically be less than a half a volt or so (as it is, if properly wired in a typical branch circuit, a piece of #12 or #14 AWG wire that is bonded to ground where the power enters the house.

60V from neutral to ground indicates that something is amiss.

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2018, 01:56:31 am »
One quirk of this is, similarly as 60V would put something amiss, 180V would be the other side of that!  If the neutral becomes floating, this can happen; there are UL standards regarding equipment tolerating this condition, especially for MOVs, that will slowly cook off, because of the low current available in such a condition -- the stronger phase's load is acting as a current limiting resistor for the other side's voltage protection devices.

Related hijinx: using 120V outlets from different parts of the house, to get a 240V 15A circuit.  Very risky because the breakers are not connected (a normal 240V circuit is simply two breakers ganged together), so in a fault, only one phase will open, and the other remains live.

Very rare situations though, nothing that's supposed to happen in a normal wiring situation.  Sort of like automotive load dump, extremely rare, but possible and still must fail in a safe manner.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2018, 02:59:58 am »
If you know how to safely work with high voltage (if you don't, find someone who does - try a local hackerspace), measure voltage between the AC ground and a known good ground like a cable TV connector while temporarily connecting a 100W or so resistive load between hot and AC ground. (That won't work on a GFCI circuit for obvious reasons.) The voltage reading will tell you roughly the ground impedance.

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2018, 11:29:59 am »
So measured the outlet:
Neutral to ground on 200V AC range of cheap meter. (need to get a fluke I know) reads a steady 0.
hot neutral = 120.5 to 121.5
hot ground same with the fluxuations being the same. Also there was a dryer running down stairs so I don't know if that would mess things up.

I didn't see the strange voltage that I got at another place I lived between neutral and ground. Seemed like it was spot on.

Could there be other voltages or high frequency things that my meter wasn't reading? I also have a tech 3000 series scope from the 80's but I'm not sure how I could safely measure the mains without hurting it or what settings to use (I still sometimes pick up noise thinking its my signal: turning off the device under test only to see the trace not move.). I have some large resistors and caps so I could build a probe if I have plans to follow.
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2018, 11:52:26 am »
Ok, so that rules out a failure in your neutral - ground bond. also that your likely in the US based on the voltage. (you never actually said your region)

Next up would you be able to measure between say a metal tap and the ground of an outlet, this is to rule out that its not a break at a ground stake (if they are used there)

And finally, Is your laptop charger grounded or ungrounded? If grounded, with a break in a ground rod, I could forsee the AC coupling caps charging up the laptop chassis to 60VAC, (very low current, but enough to be felt as a zap)

Its very unlikely to be high frequency, So your multimeter should be just fine for the task.
 

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2018, 12:21:47 pm »
Ok, so that rules out a failure in your neutral - ground bond. also that your likely in the US based on the voltage. (you never actually said your region)

Next up would you be able to measure between say a metal tap and the ground of an outlet, this is to rule out that its not a break at a ground stake (if they are used there)

And finally, Is your laptop charger grounded or ungrounded? If grounded, with a break in a ground rod, I could forsee the AC coupling caps charging up the laptop chassis to 60VAC, (very low current, but enough to be felt as a zap)

Its very unlikely to be high frequency, So your multimeter should be just fine for the task.

Yes US. So when you say a tap you mean water tap? This house is only ten years old so I believe they use WPVC (how you can make PVC safe when the dangerous part is the C in PVC is beyond me.) in fact I know they do.

The lap top has a three prong outlet dell power supply. Even in a SMPS doesn't the ground and neutral get connected through the circuit? I think I saw a eevblog video on this but that might have been a linear supply or variac with a common ground.

Another question: I was trying to make a HPS grow lamp safe at another house. The power cord from the transformer to the bulb and metal fixture I chose not to run the ground to the fixture up the cord to the light bulb from the transformer. My thinking was if you were standing in water and touched something grounded; maybe the transformer was conducting into the water since it sits on the floor, there wouldn't be a circuit running through your body as the metal would be floating. I then realized this didn't matter because the transformer was wired so that both coils were tied to a common neutral; no isolation. I don't know why they do that. It makes it hard to get big isolation transformers as the common connection is inside the winding and can't be separated.

I had one of these as a kid and when I earthed the fixture using a three conductor extension cord I would find the cord arcing through the insulation (standard orange heavy gauge extension cord) when the cap charged up to strike the arc it would arc across the wire to the fixture instead of going through the lamp. Yes the wire wasn't rated for this voltage but I was like 16 and trying to be sneeky and just used lots of silicone and made sure I was around when the light was turned on.
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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2018, 01:07:30 pm »
Yes, water tap, even if you have only plastic pipes, the water between your tap and the pipes in the ground will only be 100's to 1000's of ohms, so compared to the 1M ohm resistance of the meter wont be a problem,

That or a concrete floor. (comparing ground at the outlet to effectively the house / plot of land around you)

Being a grounded plug you can also check the voltage between the laptop frame and outlet ground, by rights he should be 0V AC, if not the charger may be leaking current across the transformer (somewhat concerning)

Other questions:
PVC can be considered safe in the same way lead piping can be considered safe. if the water source does not contain components that react with the piping, and the piping does not decompose in to the water stream at a rate higher than found problematic in studies, then its safe for use. If you do hold fear, you run the tap for a bit before you drink to reduce the concentration,

In the nitty gritty it comes down to what plasticizes / additives where used in its production, being a thermosoftening plastic, they are generally less likely to seep out of the plastic unless heated.

For the grow lamp fitting, its more if someone accidentally breaks the globe, the goal is to be more likely to contact the ground than the live contact(s), the same as say a toaster, for a kid to pry something out with a knife, he will be in contact with the case, if its a RCD / GCFI circuit then him touching the case should trip it if he touches something bad, and for normal circuits the hope is that what you bridge the contacts with will trip the circuit, in the case if its your finger, then you may still get zapped,

For electric zaps, anything that stays away from your chest area is within certain limits, painful but survivable. live mains across your fingers, but with the rest of you insulated will hurt like buggery, but not near the heart so unlikely to cause problems, with you feet in the water, you main hope would be the current chasing the lamp fitting ground rather than one at your feet. as even if the puddle is not directly connected the ground it still makes a poor path through capacitive coupling.

The neutral is treated separately to the ground, It has a few functions, To make it so the dirt around your house is tied to the same voltage (without it, in lightning storms you can see hundreds to thousands of volts difference as the charged cloud passes overhead), To shunt any fault currents, e.g. knife in a toaster in the hope of popping the fuse / tripping the breaker. To trip a breaker that detects an imbalance of current, and more recently, to shunt higher frequency noise via some capacitors back to the reference point of the dwelling,

These capacitors however will leak some current as there impedance at 50/60Hz is not infinite. e.g. 10nF, so leaking in the order of 400uA,

And for the final one, a normal extension lead is at best able to withstand 1000V, with most high pressure sodium lamps running on the order of 2500V, I can understand it arcing.
 

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Re: Why do things in my house "feel" like they have electricity in them?
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2018, 03:02:16 pm »
how you can make PVC safe when the dangerous part is the C in PVC is beyond me.
Oy vey, that’s not how chemistry works. You do know that table salt (the stuff you need to live) is sodium chloride, right?

The thing to remember about reactive elements is that the more reactive they are, the less reactive compounds made from them are, because the reactivity is from the strong bonds it wants to form, and those strong bonds don’t want to release once made.

Aluminum metal objects resist ordinary corrosion because aluminum is so reactive, it instantly oxidizes, and as it happens, aluminum oxide is very non-reactive. Fluorine is spectacularly reactive, which is why fluorinated compounds are so extraordinarily non-reactive (Teflon, Fluorinert, etc etc etc).

Back to PVC. The chlorine in PVC is released only when PVC is broken down, most commonly through incineration. Flexible PVC (“vinyl”) objects have an entirely unrelated health issue, the phthalate plasticizers, but that’s not relevant to rigid PVC pipe since they don’t use plasticizers.
 


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