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Why has nobody made a browser which adblocks without the website detecting it?

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Miyuki:
Can I ask you why you are so into this adblocking thing? Or you are on pages filled with ads?
I see how it can be a problem on a laptop with heat and battery drain, but on desktop  :-//
Like I have opened chrome for two weeks with gazillion tabs and it takes some RAM (like 6-8GB) but CPU load is minuscule with ads here and listening to youtube (around 2-4% on ancient 7 years old 16 core)

JPortici:

--- Quote from: Miyuki on May 07, 2021, 08:55:47 am ---Can I ask you why you are so into this adblocking thing? Or you are on pages filled with ads?

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I assume you never use youtube

rdl:
I don't like my browser running code from multiple random sites all over the internet and sending data back and forth without my knowledge. It still does, but I try to minimize it as much as possible.

Here is one example, and I'm not picking on Newegg. Their site is relatively benign compared to the rest of the internet. Actually most retail sites are okay. As I said before, old school media sites are by far the worst. Try installing NoScript then go visit the web site of one of your local TV stations (or CNN, Fox News, etc.) with the top level domain trusted.



Why should my browser need to connect to all those other domains just to buy something from Newegg?
It doesn't. Last time I bought something there it worked fine like this.

I use NoScript and uBlockOrigin and a hosts file. I like multiple lines of defense. I don't think most people have any idea what their computers are actually doing behind their back and without asking.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Miyuki on May 07, 2021, 08:55:47 am ---Can I ask you why you are so into this adblocking thing? Or you are on pages filled with ads?
I see how it can be a problem on a laptop with heat and battery drain, but on desktop  :-//
Like I have opened chrome for two weeks with gazillion tabs and it takes some RAM (like 6-8GB) but CPU load is minuscule with ads here and listening to youtube (around 2-4% on ancient 7 years old 16 core)

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...because it reduces page load times a LOT? As i shared above, on average 60% of page load times is ads and trackers...


--- Quote from: james_s on May 07, 2021, 01:16:50 am ---
--- Quote from: Whales on May 07, 2021, 12:58:18 am ---The paradigm of web content has shifted greatly.  Originally pages were sent to you in plaintext HTML, CSS and images were shown using <img> tags.  Now some sites serve a blob of javascript that runs in a (semi) secure VM in your browser to generate the page.  This dramatically shifts the level of control & power away from you and into the publisher's hands; they can do any sort of computations they want in return for you being able to see their pages.  Detecting adblockers is just the tip of the iceberg.

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I really dislike this trend. There are very few things on the modern internet that I find superior to the old days when sites loaded quickly on even a dialup connection. Most of the modern bloat just gets in the way of accessing the information.

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100% agree. What with “sign up for our newsletter!” lightboxes, dickbars (boxes and bars that don’t scroll away and partly obscure content, like social media sharing doodads), the “accept cookies” popups (thanks, EU...), “let us send you notifications!” popups (originally through notification APIs, then when those got locked down, as javascript popups), etc, it takes forever to just be able to read the damned content.

I resisted installing an ad blocker for a long time, since I understand the value ads provide to website operators. But I had to draw the line due to the performance issues they cause. I do not consent to having website performance reduced dramatically. Had ad networks been respectful of computing resources and usability, I wouldn’t have blocked them, because I’m not against advertising. IMHO, they made that bed, now they can lay in it.

Ranayna:
Regarding page loads, for sites that are either geographically close, or use big CDNs, i made the observation that, with adblock enabled, your connection speed barely matters.

Last year, I went from 8 MBit/s DSL to 120 MBit/s Fiber, and i noticed very little difference when surfing. Of course downloads are faster, and more users can use the connection without really affecting each other, but for a single user just surfing the web, the upgrade was almost meaningless.

Earlier this year i upgraded my PC significantly, going from a 6 year old intel i7 (5820k) to a current Ryzen 5900x. I was very surprised that i was actually able to notice that upgrade, just surfing the web.
Modern pages are so heavily reliant on running local scripts, that local processing power seems to be a bottleneck.

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