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Why has nobody made a browser which adblocks without the website detecting it?
PlainName:
--- Quote ---The Internet used to be very crappy
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If you'd said it used to be less aesthetic I'd agree, but the quality of the internet resource (ignoring AOL and Compulink) was as high, if not higher, than today. What has changed is what's being made available - pretty much any business now has an online presence which wasn't previously the case. Any datasheet you care to name is probably available from somewhere, etc. But these things don't define 'the Internet' any more than Youtube defines video production.
--- Quote ---Most sites didn't comply with web standards and would only display properly on either Netscape, or Internet Explorer.
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Yeah, one to take up with Microsoft - they are the primary reason for standards not being adhered to, or 'enhanced'.
--- Quote ---Insecure Macromedia Flash was widespread and it got worse when IE won the browser war
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Yeah, another one to blame on the Internet! Actually, why not just blame to developers of the application instead. But, even better, why not stop with the victim blaming? Think for a moment: once upon a time no-one communications protocols had to think about data that might be corrupted accidentally, or a standard not quite being met. Things worked fine, and if there was a problem, well, shit happens. What made it a big problem and the nightmare we have today was (and are) the fuckwits who think breaking stuff for lulz is fun, or scamming millions of dollars a fair way to make a living, or viciously SWATing a game opponent fair play. They are the ones that made ActiveX a bad move, not the functionality of it per se.
Someone:
--- Quote from: Ranayna on May 07, 2021, 10:29:53 am ---Modern pages are so heavily reliant on running local scripts, that local processing power seems to be a bottleneck.
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Party CPU but also request latency (which hasn't changed much across different consumer access technologies). Browsers hide this by caching, parallel requests, and speculatively loading content that you might need, but the proliferation of scripted/dynamic content broke that system.
Say you like reading Hagar the Horrible, loading their site natively:
Loading with a light sprinkling of content blocking:
Handing back control of what the user wants to have (ads still come through, but most of the crufty stuff is left as opt-in and not preloaded). Roughly 4x faster load time, which can make a big difference when you're just wanting to pull up websites for a small snippet of information. (reading a comic only takes a few seconds)
peter-h:
I am finding contrary stuff. For example most banking websites (hardly ones loading 100 3rd party scripts) are taking 5-10 secs to do "something".
It could be just server loading.
SparkyFX:
You overlook the point of the advertisement: that people look at it, click on it or come back later and buy/use something.
An adblocker can be made very sophisticated, but it certainly does not buy stuff in your name... so guess what it means if ads are not displayed to a substantial amount of viewers. Imho it will change the approach to the problem in new ways, but certainly won't make advertisement go away.
This might lead to ads and content not being distinguishable anymore or the browser market being dominated by a marketing agency or subscription only services. Such developments may even make adblocking itself obsolete.
In other words, you are not really saving or preventing anything by "better" adblocking, it will just come in a different form. As long as the ads are relevant (and not intrusive) i don't see a big problem with them as they are for a webhoster making money to run the site.
GlennSprigg:
I notice that, (and yes I use adBlock etc.), that the BIGGEST delay-times by FAR, are when some 'page' should be loading, but
down at the bottom left of FireFox it is stalling on 'googleapis.com' before finally displaying what you want!! I admit I have not
researched it, and when I see it, I call it 'Google Piss'... because it pisses me off!! >:(
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