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bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: KL27x on January 06, 2020, 06:21:05 pm ---rstofer never said that, to my knowledge. I did not say this.
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You need to update your knowledge.

rstofer said that explicitly several times. You have done that with a lot more words and with a suave rhetoric but in essence you both speak the same thing.


--- Quote ---You and Boffin don't speak for the rest of the world, thankfully for the rest of the world.
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This is what I have seen everywhere, even on this forum. I suggest you pay more attention to how declarations, like those you (and rstofer-like people) do, ring in the ears of people from the other parts of the planet.


--- Quote ---LOL. Who is "we?" You and Boffin? 
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No. We, the world.


--- Quote ---You know the Declaration of Independence was in 1774? And the war ended 1783? And metric wasn't even an idea? Jefferson requested a set of prototypes in the 1790's, before France had even adopted the metric system, yet. But as we know, pirates. So he improved the system(s) America already used. Later, America's first attempt to standardize weights and measures with Britain also failed, due to inconsistency of the prototypes. It was decades later that we got that sorted, this time also truncating digits to get exact ratios with metric. America made strong efforts to standardize with the rest of the world since its very inception/birth, and it was a member of the origianal 17 nations at the first Metre Convention. Canada, Australia? No, they were nowhere to be seen. They joined, later.

Please, debunk me.

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What is there to be debunked? You're just telling us how the US missed the opportunity to go metric early on. So I just have to shrug.


--- Quote ---You have nitpicked a sentence here or there to no effect. I, otoh, trashed your "metric roads save 10% mainetenace cost" BS, and you just ran away.
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That was a straw man argument. We are not discussing how to metricate the roads in the US. Nevertheless, it was easily debunked when we showed that the world, with a lot more roads and a lot less money, made it happen.

We can open a new thread about that if you insist. But here we are discussing why the US is not metric.


--- Quote ---Lots of people from Canada and Britain have debunked your claim that America is the only country using imperial, today. So please go ahead debunk me.
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With pleasure. The fallacy of your arguments reside in that, because you found a rusty imperially threaded screw tossed in the streets of Paris, France is using imperial as widespread as it is in the US.

No. The only major country that has not adopted metric to the point of its units and concepts permeate the everyday life of the common citizen is the US.


--- Quote ---Wait, lemme guess your response:
Everyone else did it. Murica FREEDOM is dumb. BTW, making fun of America is fine. But making fun of freedom? Why do you guys do that? Chinese influence?

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You, rstofer and others are confusing this discussion with making fun of the US.

I am not doing this. Although we have to recognize that some aspects of the state of affairs when it comes to units of measure in the US are perceived as ridiculous by people inside and outside the US.
KL27x:

--- Quote ---This is what I have seen everywhere, even on this forum. I suggest you pay more attention to how declarations, like those you (and rstofer-like people) do, ring in the ears of people from the other parts of the planet.
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I don't speak for America, I speak for myself. And in particular, I refute any association with Rstopher. I disagree with a lot of what he posts, even in other threads, as it happens.


--- Quote ---No. We, the world.
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If you "see everywhere, even on this forum," then you know no one else agrees with you, except maybe boffin. "The world" does not stand behind your words, here. People from all countries recognize that you have made many serious errors, and that your remaining argument is childish and simplistic.


--- Quote ---That was a straw man argument.
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You still don't know what this word means.  :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD :-DD
YOU started out in this thread by citing economic benefits and improvement in science and engineering that the US would reap if the government mandated use of metric-only to "Jack and Jane." Now you backtrack after your attempt at backing your claims turned out to be a complete failure. So what's left for you to say? We're all listening.


--- Quote ---With pleasure. The fallacy of your arguments reside in that, because you found a rusty imperially threaded screw tossed in the streets of Paris, France is using imperial as widespread as it is in the US.

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You didn't read this thread much. We have members who have lived in French Canada who are telling you they use imperial for height and weight. That they have inch-only tape measure in Home Depot, by default, unless you ask.

here is just one such post, recently, from Skymaster:

--- Quote ---In Canada, the usage of some imperial unit is not limited to English speaking Canadians. I live in the province of Quebec, my first tongue is French, and inches and pound are still casually being used in Quebec. People height and weight are often expressed using imperial units. I do woodworking using exclusively imperial units. Wood comes in 8 foot length (and 10, 12 etc), plywood sheets are 4 x 8, etc.

Canada is officially all metric, but grocery store still display the price in $ per pound, in large characters, but at the counter the price is charged per kilograms. The fact that it makes the price appears lower is probably influencing this practice, but still, anybody who is 41 years old, or less, was officially only exposed to metric units all is life.
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--- Quote ---No. The only major country that has not adopted metric to the point of its units and concepts permeate the everyday life of the common citizen is the US.
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Your life is permeated with metric units and concepts? In America, our lives are permeated with living.


--- Quote ---You have done that with a lot more words and with a suave rhetoric
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Thank you. I know I can make a logical and persuasive argument. You... well, you have the power of knowing metric-only, which by your reckoning makes you an expert at metric (which takes about 1 day of class and a quiz to learn). Maybe you can persuade French Canadians as to the benefits of learning and using English-only. You can open their eyes to how inefficient is it to learn two redundant languages to say the same things?
SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: KL27x on January 06, 2020, 06:21:05 pm ---...
... America made strong efforts to standardize with the rest of the world since its very inception/birth, and it was a member of the original 17 nations at the first Metre Convention. Canada, Australia? No, they were nowhere to be seen. They joined, later.
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Sorry, we missed the first Metre Convention. In 1875, Canada was busy creating the Supreme Court of Canada and building the Canadian Pacific Railway.

:)
SkyMaster:

--- Quote from: KL27x on January 06, 2020, 11:54:58 pm ---...
... We have members who have lived in French Canada who are telling you they use imperial for height and weight. ...

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Our ovens are cooking in Fahrenheit too. We can prepare a cake using all metric units and the cake will happily accept to be cooked in Fahrenheit. The cake is not even complaining. I think this is amazing.

And car tires pressure... in psi. No matter what is the tire country of origin, the tire will accept pressure in psi. I think this is amazing too.

Will a cake cooked in Celsius taste better? Will a tire with its pressure measured in... well I don't even know what is the metric unit used for tire pressure (and I don't care what it is), but will the tire handle better with its pressure measured in metric?

:)
vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: MT on January 06, 2020, 02:01:30 pm ---Let me just chime in this havoced thread allready at post 4 that GRETA+SOROS+AU climatologists says 500million animals have died in the last AU fires, in return i requested a scientific executed count report of this hard and meticulously done survey but was brutally ignored!  :'(

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The estimate of 500,000,000 (not from the "boogey people", by the way, but from State & Federal authorities), is for the current fires. Your "scientifically executed count" is not practicable, as safety is of the utmost importance, & we don't want people wandering around in the path of a fire "counting".

Farmers have a pretty good idea of how many animals they have.
If they have a measurable number of animals surviving,the figures for overall losses can be pretty accurate.

Native animals are another question, & can only be determined statistically.
Some animals are fast enough to make a good try at escaping the fires, others, like koalas have little chance of escape.
Snakes, & most lizards are very unlikely to survive.

You want "brutal", have a look at some of the news videos of the fires!
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