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why is the US not Metric
KL27x:
bsfeechannel:
--- Quote ---Since when you give a damn what the Canadians do?
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I thought you did? Take a guess who said these things:
--- Quote ---...They don't know how to use metric exclusively. And this shows that they don't know everything about metric.
...This doesn't justify the US, because metrication there is not on par with the rest of the world, that uses metric for just about everything.
...The rest of the world IS 100% metric and you know that's true.
...Nope. You need to make it exclusive, and deprecate the old cumbersome system for the general public.
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Canada, UK, Netherlands and other EU countries using pounds in daily lingo: Am I a joke to you?
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--- Quote ---Nope. I started out in this thread questioning your argument that the US is not metricated because it costs money. Well, no one said that the change would be free. My argument back then was that the whole world managed to go metric and paid for it. No problem.
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So you didn't say any of these things?
--- Quote ---...The cost of switching to metric is in fact marginal. And the benefits enormous. If that weren't true, the world wouldn't have taken the plunge.
...Can't you see the forest for the trees? Just extrapolate to the whole country the benefits these companies had from investing in the use of metric instead of imperial and that's it.
...It is intuitive. [how many $billions you will save!]
...The whole economy profits from the reduction of the amount of redundant units to measure the same thing.
...The same straw man again? Can we proclaim you Your Majesty, the King Of The Straw Men? Of course it is not about me and my screws. The screws are an indication of a FACT: imperial costs more to maintain. And that's the point.
...The whole economy profits from the reduction of the amount of redundant units to measure the same thing.
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Repeating a claim doesn't make it true.
So what do you back this with?:
--- Quote ---...You might have missed this text from a link I posted six pages ago.
--- Quote ---For example, total metric conversion costs for the 50 state highway departments are estimated to lie between $50 and $100 million. The states spend about $20 billion on highway construction every year so a 1 percent reduction in construction costs due to improved productivity and quality amounts to an annual savings of $200 million. At the 1 percent rate, the payoff for highway conversion takes 3 to 6 months with a savings of 100 to $150 million the first year and $200 million each succeeding year. Even at a tenth of this rate, the payback period is only 30 to 60 months with savings in each following year amounting to $20 million in perpetuity.
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LOL. I'm ok with the rest of the metric world enjoying all of these savings. Maybe you should keep this a secret so your metric brothers can continue to reap these benefits for themselves. Then you can band together to "kill the imperial zombies," who are a relic of the past.
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--- Quote ---If my arguments are wrong, childish and simplistic, how do I always manage to question yours?
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You don't. You dismiss them or ignore them completely and then yell "Then why did everyone else change to metric!? Straw man! Imperial is dead! Just look at all the memes on the internet!" :-DD
I refer you back to your own post #1027, on the previous page 42. You ask a question as if it hasn't been answered already. And then despite taking the time to reply, once again, you twist it. I explain yet again, and then you conveniently forget you asked in the first place. Back to your same old. When you get pwned, just spout more crap until it is covered and hopefully forgotten.
blacksheeplogic:
Why either of these these? Bring back the Sumerians Sexagesimal system.
vwestlife:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on January 07, 2020, 03:33:50 am ---And this argument has been equally debunked ad nauseam in this thread. The US "gone metric where it makes sense" only defeats the purpose of metrication, which is to reduce the clutter and confusion of units.
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That's like saying Canada has "clutter and confusion" of languages because they are a bilingual country.
KL27x:
Not to mention he denies even that "3) The US is metricated where it makes sense." Even after he provides the list of the major export businesses which all changed. In the 60's and 70's and 80's.
--- Quote ---8 ) Metrication can only occur under a general cultural and political upheaval.
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not only, but mostly.
Starting with France, revolution.
Russia-cum-USSR (basically this includes east europe): 8 years after the Bolshevik revolution.
Germany: Napolean.
Poland: nuff said.
China: during Beiyang under martial law
Japan: Meiji revolution
This is 10 minutes of research, and it already over half the globe. (and at least 50-60 million people killed)
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Completely metric, ya right:
South Korea: read about this yourself. South Koreans sound a lot like Americans, other than the government going apeshit and using propaganda and fines for over 60 years and counting, and still losing that battle. These dudes still using old units by stating them in metric. In America, this is like real estate agents' use of square feet being punished by fines, so the people call them square ~1/3 meters *wink wink* while flipping the government the bird.
North Korea: No one know how complete or easy/hard, but they just use their old units but rounded off in metric. Like the dutch use pounds as 0.5kg.
Japan required 50 years to get mostly metricated. (And this did not stop them from using metric where it mattered). Interestingly, US units were also recognized as legal in Japan around the 1900's, when they had 3 officially recognized systems (US, metric, and traditional). Also fun bit, Japans traditional units are based ten.
Iran and Turkey still use many persian units (which go back to 500 BC, and which the weights and volumes were related by water)
Again, this is just a few minutes of reading. And I tire. This just goes on and on and on.
bsfeechannel, maybe you can learn something between now and your next post.
ebastler:
--- Quote from: KL27x on January 07, 2020, 07:19:58 pm ---
--- Quote ---8 ) Metrication can only occur under a general cultural and political upheaval.
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Germany: Napolean.
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I don't think so. With some goodwill, you can consider 1834 as the starting point for metrication in Germany. (German customs union introducing the metric pound, which is exactly half a kg.) Things got seriously metric in the 1870s.
Napoleon didn't have much to do with that, I think. He would have had a hard time, given that he was dead since 1821, and powerless since 1815. I didn't check your other history claims, but the result of this one spotcheck makes me wonder...
Edit: Looked into one more. Poland seems to have gone metric in the 1870s as well. What terrible events in that period were you alluding to with your "'nuff said" comment?
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