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| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: tooki on February 11, 2020, 02:38:14 am ---No, that’s only the way that someone who is as dense as Nibbler’s turds would see it. You’ve been given ample explanations why the US has not gone all-metric (which is what you guys all mean when you say “go metric”), and when we remind you that while the US has not gone ALL-metric, it has in fact gone significantly metric, contrary to your claims, then you claim we are being contradictory. The question is “why is the US not metric?”, and the answer is: a) it already partially is, and b) for reasons given earlier. With the added comment that NO COUNTRY ON EARTH IS 100% METRIC, so full metrication is a hypocritical demand anyway. --- End quote --- No, the US has not gone "significantly" metric. That's what this thread is all about. In "significantly" metricated countries, customary units are DEPRECATED. You seem not to understand what this means. In the US, customary units are EVERYWHERE. So, is the US metric? Answer: a resounding NO! Why? Because the US betted on the wrong horse. They didn't anticipate the benefits of a universal system of units tailored for a globalized industrial world. Period. |
| KL27x:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on February 11, 2020, 12:06:20 pm --- So, is the US metric? Answer: a resounding NO! Why? Because the US betted on the wrong horse. They didn't anticipate the benefits of a universal system of units tailored for a globalized industrial world. Period. --- End quote --- The US entered a period of rapid growth and expansion of its manufacturing capabilities at the time when metric was still a premie what almost died even in France. The US made every effort to make USC consistent and standard across its borders, and it proceeded to build a universal system of THINGS for manufacturing using the horse what brought it. Who cares what the measuring system is? This is a massive pyramid of physical capital/tooling/instrumentation, inventory, workflow, and marketplace. It makes perfect sense that USC continues to be useful here in light of these "legos" in many/most cases were dimensioned to nice numbers in USC. Beyond 3rd grade school, we pretty much don't even teach USC in school. Our civil engineers and construction workers mostly learn to work with imperial on the job. USC is useful because of what has already happened, but it is not essential to learn it. If you learn in school to do calculations in just metric, that is good enough. The odd thing to some of yous is most of us accept to live by imperial. To frame our experience in it. If you moved to the US in say 10th grade, you would no doubt be a stickler and to use only metric in your own head and life as much as possible. ... That would last a year, tops. Then 99% of you would use imperial. Same way if you like grilled onions on your InNOut Burger, you will eventually start calling it "animal style," mostly because everyone else does it, and the employees seem to enjoy when you say it to them. (And also, you will probably get tired of other customers and/or employees "letting you in on the secret" everytime you ask for grilled onions. You will just get tired of being the odd man out who draws special treatment/attention. I imagine something similar for "that guy" who unnecessarily uses metric in America in situations where it is obviously not more convenient. Like asking the gas station guy to fill your tires to 280 millipascals.) If you live in the US, imperial is practical. Everyone else knows it and uses it. And you would also find that it works fine for almost everything. We COULD change everything to metric at an enormous cost (and 50 to 100 years or so). We rather use a calculator and 25.4 in the fringe cases where we need to use metric. We would probably be fine with this forever. |
| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: KL27x on February 11, 2020, 06:18:40 pm ---The US entered a period of rapid growth and expansion of its manufacturing capabilities at the time when metric was still a premie what almost died even in France. --- End quote --- The reasons for the US to have chosen imperial instead of metric are irrelevant now. Metric eventually won and imperial lost, as predicted by Laplace. As for the cost, if properly done, it will have minimal financial impact, as it was shown in this thread, but I don't want to delve into that subject, because that's not my homework to do. The world has done theirs, and we are all glad that the world is metric. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on February 11, 2020, 12:06:20 pm ---No, the US has not gone "significantly" metric. That's what this thread is all about. In "significantly" metricated countries, customary units are DEPRECATED. You seem not to understand what this means. In the US, customary units are EVERYWHERE. So, is the US metric? Answer: a resounding NO! Why? Because the US betted on the wrong horse. They didn't anticipate the benefits of a universal system of units tailored for a globalized industrial world. Period. --- End quote --- Yes, it has. This has been explained and documented to you ad infinitum in this thread, why won’t it go through your thick skull? Yes, in USA, customary units are (almost) everywhere — but so is metric. This has been explained to you repeatedly. My guess is that you haven’t even lived in USA before, maybe not even visited for an extended period. So you’re just guessing at how it works there. I am American, grew up half in USA and half in Switzerland, and my adult life has also been equally divided. So I have a pretty good idea what it’s like in both systems. Is Europe more metric than USA? Definitely. But USA uses metric a lot. I wouldn’t say “most” yet, but it’s way more than you acknowledge. Pounding your fist and blowing your sphincter won’t make your prejudiced delusions any truer. P.S. Just to be clear, “significantly” does not imply predominance. It simply means “not negligible” or “meaningful”. And in that sense, the US most definitely has had significant adoption of metric. --- Quote from: bsfeechannel on February 11, 2020, 08:21:14 pm ---As for the cost, if properly done, it will have minimal financial impact, as it was shown in this thread, but I don't want to delve into that subject, because that's not my homework to do. The world has done theirs, and we are all glad that the world is metric. --- End quote --- It’s been laid out for you in excruciating detail that it’s NOT “minimal” cost, it’s actually a horrendous cost, and also adds a lot of risk during transition. Again, stop being so thick. |
| KL27x:
--- Quote ---As for the cost, if properly done, it will have minimal financial impact, as it was shown in this thread --- End quote --- Tooki is being nice. For you to state this like a fact, you're just a total moron. If it has been "shown in this thread," you can quote it so we can make fun of this conclusion, again. You're talking about every business involved with selling things listed by dimensions having to change their website to metric. 20x10" air filter? Nope, try again. You're talking about every business carrying inventory of structural/engineering materials and tools and parts to have to carry double the number of items. Think steel supply as an example, which is a warehouse of 100's of tons of pieces parts in 100's of sizes. Now they have to carry double the number of unique items. And they will have to increase their pricing to cover the extra labor and retail space. For just the next 100 years, because of all the $billions in stuff which still needs the old parts. We haven't even gotten to extra hassle and costs of individual home owners. Or road signs. This will require massive coordination, which itself costs time and $$$$$$. And it will still have ongoing cost/inefficiencies/redundancies for 100 years, even if there are some individual "winners" who make more money during this mess. |
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