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Tepe:

--- Quote from: KL27x on December 10, 2019, 11:30:03 pm ---
--- Quote ---Spillover from the non-metric world.
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LOL. So when bsfeechannel states the dozens of metricated countries still producing and buying and selling and using non-metric fasteners is the direct result of America's intentional evil to disrupt him from changing the screws in his washing machine, you believe that, too?

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Now you are being deliberately obtuse.  ;D

I have said nothing about any ill-will or intentional evil on the part of anybody. The use of especially inches in the non-anglosphere, as opposed to old homegrown units, is obviously due to the former and present significance in trade and industry of the countries using, or having used,  British/American units. A result of success in export! Nothing wrong in that at all.

Non-anglosphere by and large means never part of the British Empire and hence having little interest in Whitworth threads and similar standards apart from repairing imported equipment and for export to places that want and need it. Nothing wrong in that either.

My point was that our own traditional units in Europe are dead and buried with wooden stakes through their little hearts and we only encounter yours because they blow over the fence, so to speak  :D
Depending on outlook, having them blow over the fence is either a harmless curiosity--something peculiar from a strange and wondrous land--or downright absurd. But is is not a result of evil.
MT:

--- Quote from: rstofer on December 10, 2019, 03:26:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: KL27x on December 09, 2019, 09:44:15 pm ---At the end of the day there are a lot of reasons people can hate on America. And I suspect this is a part of the reason for the animosity towards America's continued use of the old imperial system.

If this is the reasoning, a US change to metric is only a symbolic gesture. If this is a good enough reason, then America could change. Is it?

Or would all of the America-haters complaining about imperial still hate America for the actual good reasons, of which there is no particular shortage?

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Of course they would!

This whole thread started and continues as US bashing.  It has nothing to do with metric, that is just a tag.

But the good news is that we (I) don't give a sh**.  We're not going to change so keep on hating.  Me, I've been retired for 16 years and don't really concern myself with details.  Life is good!

But, if you really are hating the US, why not encourage your politicians to forgo our money and military?  Maybe rebalance the trade?  Cut the ties.  Believe me, you won't be missed.

There are exactly 3 countries the US can rely on:  Australia, New Zealand and Great Britain (maybe just England).  Everybody else is just slurping at the hog trough.  Taking the money, bitching about the banker.

Be honest about your hatred and quit relying on our support.  We really do have better things to do with our people and money.

i would think Poland would be very worried after Tusk's little stunt at the NATO meeting.  It might have been funny in the EU and, perhaps even London, but it didn't sell that well in the US.  Given a vote, the US would have been out of NATO 50 years ago.

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:palm:
You and your boomer reasoning style are utterly stuck in the cold war era like a car radio in a Trabant fixated on Moscow channel, ofcourse lifes good for you and a mess for other Americans due to your arrogance and pompousness
and the self me,me,me ness. Boomers are known for this and their parents cries in their graves everyday over it.

SparkyFX:

--- Quote from: MT on December 11, 2019, 03:02:58 pm ---You and your boomer reasoning style are utterly stuck in the cold war era like a car radio in a Trabant fixated on Moscow channel
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1) (stock) Trabants had no radio
2) try to avoid ad hominem arguments
KL27x:
Tepe:
--- Quote ---Now you are being deliberately obtuse.  ;D

I have said nothing about any ill-will or intentional evil on the part of anybody. The use of especially inches in the non-anglosphere, as opposed to old homegrown units, is obviously due to the former and present significance in trade and industry of the countries using, or having used,  British/American units.
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Thanks for that necessary clarification and try to be more careful in the future.

When you said these fasteners still exist "because of non-metric countries," there is only one "non-metric country" left in the world, aside from Liberanistan and Jimbobabwe. And these countries certainly aren't the reason that India and UK and Australia still have weird screws.

It's hard enough to keep this thread relevant with bsfeechannel and rstopher both in the area.

These fasteners still exist because they are still useful. People still need them, because of history. The fastener isn't "metric or imperial." It's made on a different machine, with a different lead screw pitch, a different lathe to carriage gearing, and a different cutter. If you want to you can describe that Whitworth screw in metric. You can call it a M3.4829 with 1.325284671 pitch, with 55 angle and rounded inside radii? Then add a machine drawing to clarify and quantify the myriad of other subtle differences. Or you can recognize that the Whitworth screw is a standard and call it a Whitworth screw of w/e specs Whitworth uses so that you don't need a machine drawing to communicate what you mean between buyer and seller.

I suppose Whitworth screws will be gone, someday. But in our lifetimes, it's easier just to learn to deal with them if and when you have to. If you have to read the datasheet at that time, because you have to cut these threads onto a custom part, then you will probably read the datasheet. To get the ID and OD and 55 degree angle of the threads, the thread pitch, and then ignore all the rest for now and see if it fits, yet. If you don't have a CNC lathe, this also means doing some math and buying or making some gears and making some mods to the the gear box. All in a days work for a machinist, wherever this is the best way to do it. No matter whether that's because it is better, faster, or cheaper than completely re-making, say, a very expensive piece of technology which might have decades or even centuries of life left in it and which you still want to use, now. In some cases, it could be something which if it broke today, you might not even replace it. In other cases, it's still printing money for you, and you will buy a new one, no matter what kind of screws are in it.
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: KL27x on December 11, 2019, 06:18:46 pm ---It's hard enough to keep this thread relevant with bsfeechannel and rstopher both in the area.

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1) (stock) Trabants had no radio
2) try to avoid ad hominem arguments

Courtesy: SparkyFX
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