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KL27x:

--- Quote --- the (sensible) logic that led all the other countries to full metrication doesn't apply to us".
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Sensible logic of being conquered by Napolean.  :-DD
"Full metrication" like Canada and UK.   :-DD


--- Quote ---since the metric system is based on the fundamental constants of nature
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  :palm: :palm:

If you understand the fundamental constants of nature, you would know they are independent of a measuring system. This kind of statement you keep making is why people wonder if you are actually retarded. You present yourself to believe that roads work better when they are metric. And now you proclaim your belief that gravity and magnetism and the speed of light are metric. Man created metric; you think man also created the constants of the universe, rather than discover and describe them? Napolean invented the speed of light! Can you ask Napolean to change pi to be an integer factor of 10?


--- Quote ---The US people are in need of further pedagogical efforts
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Americans are early adopters of metric in education (and conversion to metric in pharmacy/chemistry).  :-//


--- Quote ---But this is a subject for another thread, I guess.
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What's wrong with this thread? Bring on your plan. All ears. Maybe you will find America has already converted to metric, piecemeal, where it matters. Ahead of your schedule. And we're pretty much done, now.

You guys obviously prefer rstopher. He gives you opinion and personal bias and ammo to use against the flag he waves. I use facts to make you look stupid. And you kinda deserve it. Considering you can't concede when you've said something so obviously incorrect; revealed the emptiness of your beliefs. Instead you just shift directions and come back to "everyone else did it; why can't you?"
GeorgeOfTheJungle:

--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on December 14, 2019, 08:51:51 pm ---since the metric system is based on the fundamental constants of nature

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Is the metre any less arbitrary than the inch? (No)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_unit_(measurement)
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: KL27x on December 14, 2019, 06:05:09 pm ---If America started changing to 40mm drain pipes and 1 meter wide doors, we be paying cost of  market inefficiencies in America for the next 100 years, before it might save a few cents a year.
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Then start by using 38 mm pipes and 90cm wide doors. That's a start.


--- Quote from: KL27x on December 14, 2019, 09:08:03 pm ---Sensible logic of being conquered by Napolean.  :-DD
"Full metrication" like Canada and UK.
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You mean Napoleon? What are you talking about? Yet another straw man argument? Gimme a break.

Napoleon revoked the law that made the metric system exclusive and reinstated the customary French units, albeit redefined to the metric standard. Much like what that Brit dude (that really looks like a straw man) wants to do with the UK. (I guess he didn't study history and that's why he is repeating it.) Much like the state in which the US is now.

It took a couple of decades after M. Napo went on permanent vacation for metric to be exclusive in France again. After that, its adoption has been always voluntary.


--- Quote ---What's wrong with this thread?
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Nothing. But, since it is so difficult for you to understand that maintaining two redundant systems of measure (one clearly a pain in the ass, the other designed for the modern times) is the offspring of a sick mind, I'm afraid, trying to devise a way to convince the public in the US to go fully metric will be too much for you.


--- Quote ---Maybe you will find America has already converted to metric, piecemeal, where it matters. Ahead of your schedule. And we're pretty much done, now.
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Nope. You need to make it exclusive, and deprecate the old cumbersome system for the general public. You're not even in the middle, much less done.


--- Quote ---You guys obviously prefer rstopher. He gives you opinion and personal bias and ammo to use against the flag he waves. I use facts to make you look stupid.
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rstofer used the moon landings (a fact) to make us look stupid. Since you confessed you do the same, we'll start to like you, too.
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: GeorgeOfTheJungle on December 14, 2019, 09:33:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on December 14, 2019, 08:51:51 pm ---since the metric system is based on the fundamental constants of nature

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Is the metre any less arbitrary than the inch? (No)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_unit_(measurement)

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That's precisely why we have standards. We wouldn't need standards if units were not arbitrary. But the world chose the meter as the standard and decided to kill the inch.
KL27x:

--- Quote ---But the world chose the meter as the standard and decided to kill the inch.
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Well that settles it. The world made a decision and the inch is dead. No more problem. Surely the world doesn't care if Americans buy gallons of gas in their own country while the world celebrates the death of the inch over a pint :-//


--- Quote ---Then start by using 38 mm pipes and 90cm wide doors. That's a start.
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Well, that's the start of making imperial a thought crime? We can also call the Whitworth screw the M3.4192 1.42347 pitch, right? And also need a complete mechanical drawing to fully describe it? Progress so good I can taste it.


--- Quote ---rstofer used the moon landings (a fact) to make us look stupid.
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Well, it's apparently so easy even rstopher can make you look stupid. It's like you're asking for it.

--- Quote ---Since you confessed you do the same, we'll start to like you, too.
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Thanks. You liking me is so good. I feel the metric love now entering my heart. And my head. It makes all logic and sense fall out.

wikipedia: "At the outbreak of the French Revolution, much of modern-day Germany and Austria were part of the Holy Roman Empire which had become a loose federation of kingdoms, principalities, free cities, bishoprics and other fiefdoms, each with its own system of measurement, though in most cases such system were loosely derived from the Carolingian system instituted by Charlemagne a thousand years earlier."

Without Napoleon, metric does not spread at that time. Napoleon united the continent. This is what facilitated a common STANDARD to be chosen, in the Napoleonic era, which was important for trade and economic growth. Prior to this, Germany was a mess of tiny sovereign states. America, roughly the size and currently almost equal GNP of all of Europe, was already consolidated in rule and measure. You also continually ignore the fact that many metric countries are not "fully metric." What's the difference between UK and USA in this metrication thing? America isn't the country with laws to make pints the only legal way to sell beer in a bar. We are allowed to sell beer in metric.

You also continue to ignore the meat of my post. To nitpick one thing you can argue is wrong in some sort of context. You also forget all the rest of the idiotic things you have stated and still, apparently, stand by?

Are you doubling down on the constants of nature being metric? You double down that roads are more efficient when they are metric? Are you going to admit when you are don't know what you are talking about?

BTW, yes, I spelled Napolian wrong. Thanks for noticing.


--- Quote ---After that, its adoption has been always voluntary.
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And Swedes changed to right had side of the road by majority vote, right?
And anyhow, the world decided already. Inch is dead, dude. So why you still trying to kill it? Go bother the German machinist who still knows and uses inches. And the Brit who can only legally buy pints.


--- Quote ---system is based on the fundamental constants of nature, and not some piece of rod in a museum in Paris,
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Also, this rod is important. This IS the standard. It is shared internationally by 17 countries by a contract. Or do you think your country measures thing with light and a stopwatch? If that were easy, we might have converted earlier. Yes we already converted in any way that matters, after America was able to join in and gain access to (and help define)  the prototypes.
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