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| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Brumby on February 16, 2020, 03:50:42 pm --- --- Quote from: c64 on February 15, 2020, 08:00:36 am ---There is nothing complicated in the construction of a cheap 3d printer. Electronics is simple as well. We could already make them easily in the late 80s. Why? --- End quote --- You're young, aren't you? It's been covered above, but here's my 2 cents' worth: Looking at someone having their own personal setup....... Speed: If you just look at the trend expressed by Moore's Law, in 1980, you were getting around 50,000 transistors on a chip. Today it's around 50,000,000,000. That's a factor of 1,000,000. Assuming this translates into an equivalent effect in processing speed, something that would take you 1 second today would take more than 11 days back then. A single "oops" you would think nothing of today and undo in another second could set you back weeks. Manual scrutiny of code and actions was much more necessary in those days. (For reference - the IBM 370 mainframe I was working on in 1980 had 256KB of core memory, with an OS on one 70MB hard drive and the company files on another, with a third as a sort work area. This was a company with branches all around Australia.) Cost: All this is assuming you had the supporting resources such as memory (which was measured in KB) and storage (a 5MB HDD cost thousands of 1980 dollar$) Awareness: Back in those days, you did not have the instant communication channels you have today. It was magazines and who you knew - and those circles were usually very geographically limited. You could have someone 20 miles away who had a great idea, but you would never hear of it unless it made publication somewhere - and you got to see that. Today, someone could have an idea (good, bad or indifferent) and the whole world could know about it within minutes. In 1980, 3D printing as a concept would not have had the exposure, so there would not have been the interest and, thus, development by interested hobbyists - and even if there was, it would more likely be by individuals working in isolation or, at best, in a very small group. This sort of tech in schools was unheard of. These factors were less of an issue for industrial and commercial organisations because of their very nature. To put it another way ... Could a single human being build one of the pyramids? Given the knowledge of how, the physical stamina and living longer than Methuselah - yes. So grab your chisel and get started.... You can do it!! --- End quote --- The pyramids are many orders of magnitude beyond the toys most people bulid with 3D printing, so I can't really see any connection between them. As I tried to point out earlier, 3D printing was a "solution in search of a problem" back in the '80s. No doubt, if the USA or USSR had a requirement which was "vital to their national defence", & which could only be addressed by 3D printing, they would have "moved heaven & earth" to do it. It wouldn't have looked pretty, & would have cost the equivalent of the GDP of a small country, but it would have happened. There was no such requirement, & industry was happy with their existing, very efficient, methods, so it had to wait till it was cheap enough Answering another Poster's not very serious comment, re aliens, I always wondered,why, if Von Daniken's mates were advanced enough for interstellar travel, why the pyramids aren't made of titanium or carbon fibre, rather,than plain old rock. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on February 17, 2020, 03:52:32 am --- --- Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 16, 2020, 01:17:21 pm --- --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on February 16, 2020, 08:48:57 am ---I was just watching The-8-bit-guy's lateswayt video today where he cooks up a couple of key stands for the C64. He pulled the file off the web and sent it to the printer and walla. --- End quote --- Where's walla? --- End quote --- It's probably what people in "Walla Walla Washington" call their hometown, in the same way that the inhabitants of "Wagga Wagga" often call their town just "Wagga". All you need to do is mentally add the other "Walla" & "voila!"------you have it. ;D --- End quote --- It's correct because I can cite a source on the internet. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/Walla! |
| c64:
--- Quote from: beanflying on February 16, 2020, 08:02:10 am ---Do you actually have any idea how large the Gcode file is even for a simple shape? Anything relying on a Cassette Tape for storage isn't an option. --- End quote --- I was talking about late 80s, most computers already had FDD. But yes, it's probably still not enough, unless g-code is sent directly to the printer, without generating the file. |
| c64:
OK, let's forget about 1980s. What about late 1990s? Most people have internet, computers are very powerful. 3d software very advanced. |
| beanflying:
--- Quote from: c64 on February 17, 2020, 06:46:39 am ---OK, let's forget about 1980s. What about late 1990s? Most people have internet, computers are very powerful. 3d software very advanced. --- End quote --- And the Patents are still enforceable through the 90's limiting commercial development :-- Makerbot was one of the first to market with a Plywood based frame that sort of worked in 2009 after they started to run out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MakerBot |
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