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Re: wikileaks julian is a hero
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2010, 04:41:41 am »
I think they are better than the status quo of institutionalized media who or are as much a part of the problems we face now.

True enough in general sentiment, but they still have the major role to play and still sometimes manage to do what they should do, like making their own decision to release some of these cables.
Funny how those exact media who have also published leaked documents that have NOT been released on the Wikileaks site are not being hounded much if at all. Yet they have done the exact same thing as Wikileaks.
Is anyone calling for the New York Times or The Australian editors to be assassinated too?
Although there is some mild rumbling in this regard, the traditional press will get away with it because there would be rioting in the streets if the government took them down. Wikileaks and Julian Assange are a much easier target.
Proves that the US government and officials are nothing but frightened bullies.

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Those who can't look beyond the wikileaks cables and understand the heart of the issue are simply blind to this.

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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2010, 05:04:30 am »
True enough in general sentiment, but they still have the major role to play and still sometimes manage to do what they should do, like making their own decision to release some of these cables.
Funny how those exact media who have also published leaked documents that have NOT been released on the Wikileaks site are not being hounded much if at all. Yet they have done the exact same thing as Wikileaks.
Is anyone calling for the New York Times or The Australian editors to be assassinated too?

In the wash-up we need as many diverse sources of media as possible. Governments world wide (even China) have found they cannot manipulate on-line media to their political advantage to the same extent they have done in their long long term love/hate relationship with tradition print and broadcast media. Wiki-leaks is just one tiny soft target in a new paradigm that government are going to need to adjust to.
While many of these Internet sources delve deep into tinfoil hat territory, the availability of them and the ready access to foreign newspapers makes a balanced evaluation of world issues more possible than it ever has been. You can see why it has Rupert and a swag of Governments very nervous.

Proves that the US government and officials are nothing but frightened bullies.

Not just our friends in the YooEssOfAy a lot of other governments and media organisations are looking less than rosy on this one.  Australia's Prime Minister and Accident Prone Communications minister coming immediately to mind.
 

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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2010, 09:17:08 pm »
Talking of censorship. There's a discussion about getting ISPs to block pornography by default to protect children. The only way to access it would be for the person renting the Internet connecting specifically opting out of censorship.

I think this is impractical and isn't the best way to go about protecting children. I think the best thing is to provide better sex education: tell kids that the kind of sex depicted by porn is not what most people do and trying to emulate it will only spread STDs.

Anyway back on topic. The problem with sites such as wikileaks is that there's no check on whether the information is true or not and the same for any other blog. Again education is the key: encourage people to think critically about the Internet and any other media for that matter.
 

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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2010, 09:32:23 pm »
The problem with sites such as wikileaks is that there's no check on whether the information is true or not and the same for any other blog.

Whats to say the information/propaganda fed to us by politicians, established media, discount department salesman, radio shock jocks, bank managers and financial advisers is any more or less true than wikileaks?

The only way you can ever find truth is to evaluate as many sources, angles and opinions as possible and draw a balanced evaluation from the sum of them.

Most of those trying to silence wikileaks are also those asking to be trusted implicitly, history has told us politics will likely over-ride the truth on many occasions. If wikileaks is as inaccurate and superficial as claimed by it's detractors, why on earth would they be concerned about it's existence if accuracy was the only concern?

 

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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2010, 01:36:11 am »
  It would be great if allot more people were pleased and did not move here


I'm so pleased I don't live in ameraica  and never will even if paid to !
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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2010, 04:10:40 am »
Anyway back on topic. The problem with sites such as wikileaks is that there's no check on whether the information is true or not and the same for any other blog.

Not true in the case of Wkileaks:
http://wikileaks.ch/About.html
Wikileaks do extensive checks to verify if the information they are given is genuine.
AFAIK Wikileaks have never released information that has turned out not to be genuine.

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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2010, 04:14:20 am »
Not just our friends in the YooEssOfAy a lot of other governments and media organisations are looking less than rosy on this one.  Australia's Prime Minister and Accident Prone Communications minister coming immediately to mind.

That's being a bit harsh on Stephen Conroy.
He's not accident prone, everything he does and says is deliberately stupid!

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Re: wikileaks julian is a hero
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2010, 07:45:56 am »
 It would be great if allot more people were pleased and did not move here


I'm so pleased I don't live in ameraica  and never will even if paid to !

Well you've got "one" on side  ;)
 

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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2010, 12:20:44 am »
The reason the governments are scared of Wikileaks is because it changes the entire status quo when it comes to so called "free journalism".
It changes the game and gives the power back to the people to potentially expose the government or other big corporations, and that scares the shit out of them. That is why the governments will do anything they can to shut it down, and set precedence so they can shut down similar leak and free speech journalism internet sites that will inevitably spring up. They also want to set an example to whistleblowers so they will think twice about speaking out against something that is wrong.

Those who say they don't like Wikileaks because of what it is publishing are missing the point entirely.
It has nothing to do with what they have published.
It's a principle thing about free speech and the right to publish in general, and the journalistic right to protect their source.
It's about giving whistle blowers an avenue to speak out without fear of identification or persecution.
It's about using the Internet for it's destined role of freedom of information for everyone.

The crazy American politicians in their blind and brainwashed psychotic rage under the disguise of patriotism calling for his execution or incarceration are ultimately trying to shut down the very best mechanism that will give the Amercian (and all) people the ultimate freedom they claim they have and aspire too. They fail to realise the same mechanism they are trying to silence is the one that could prevent the next terrorist attack or horrific war.

This is why everyone should put aside their opinions and get behind Julian and Wikileaks, whether or not you like him or the stuff he has published.
It's a new world order in journalism, free speech, and the citizenry standing up and saying with a strong voice that THEY are in control.
Julian is the pioneering hero of the new information revolution, and he MUST be supported by every citizen of every country for the benefit of all of our future freedoms.

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"It's a principle thing about free speech and the right to publish in general"

Yes we are free to repeat what has been shown to us in a free world as press, I wish Ha ha. If its illegal it must be reported, why is Hilary C not being investigated for crimes aginst the UN people ?

The trouble is you must not question your masters... the new "Political Class"and I'm not exaggerating about there existence.  In the UK we have a massive public pay purse, and no fund to pay for it.

pensions wages etc, but immediate tax, they just keep jacking up local and national taxes  to pay for pension payments (Linked to cost). Its obsine for my mother who is basically poor to pay a pension for a fat cat politician at her local council office.  The point is that we are diludeing ourselvse that money has any meaning but at as a print it shamocracy. if Shamocracy is a word, if  not I claim it as mine :)
 

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Re: wikileaks julian is a hero
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2010, 12:43:17 am »
The last post was a bit ranty, But I hope you got the gist of it.  We are in deep need of a change, I fear change as much.. God I I wish I could feel good about something...

PS I'm having a very bad time personally and feel very bad any way, not that that matters in context.
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2010, 05:58:45 pm »
I second all of above, (rant and having a hard personal time  ;D)
 

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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2010, 02:03:53 pm »
The aim of the affair "Wikileaks" is Internet Censorship.
 

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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2010, 01:08:08 am »
The aim of the affair "Wikileaks" is Internet Censorship.

No, it's about accountability in government and business. The current 'Cablegate' is about government accountability, I believe the banks will get their turn soon.  :)
 

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« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2010, 01:35:45 am »
in fact you might say this is all related to the banks wait and see guys ;)

ive heard dave mention conspiracy theories before so i recommend this book,
a book called

confessions of an economic hitman can recommend it its a good read

he seems legit being a ex fbi guy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=808526880666247652#

also this the money masters old doc i heard adam curry talk about pretty good too
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#
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« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2010, 03:12:15 am »
 

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« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2010, 09:09:22 am »



he seems legit being a ex fbi guy


Seconded, people will write any dribble to make money, just look at all the piss taking electronics books out there (the the AOE not far behind). Here in the UK to get something to write about journalists are trying to break up the government
 

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« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2010, 11:39:18 am »
yep glad you got the joke ;)

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« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2010, 01:49:22 pm »
hm, that was a joke ?  :o man you should not joke about such serious matters  ;D ;)
 

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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2010, 09:57:19 am »
Sooner or later you will all find out that Julian Assange is an CIA agent for psychological operations.
 


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