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tooki:

--- Quote from: MrMobodies on December 09, 2020, 02:18:42 pm ---I was looking at the article again and noticed this:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#What_features_will_be_added


--- Quote ---Currently, the interface…
…doesn't match the expectations. …is cluttered and not intuitive.  :bullshit: …doesn't highlight the community side. …isn't consistent with the mobile version.

The desktop interface does not match the expectations created by the modern web platforms. It feels disorienting and disconnected. Navigation and interface links are organized haphazardly.
There is clutter that distracts users from focusing on what they came for. It is challenging for readers to focus on the content :bullshit: . It is not possible for them to intuitively switch languages, search for content, or adjust reading settings. New editors are unable to use their intuition to set up their account, open the editor, or learn how to use non-article pages for moderation purposes.
A very small percentage of readers understand how Wikimedia wikis function. Many readers are not aware that the content they are reading is written by volunteers and updated frequently, or that they can potentially contribute as well. The large difference in experiences among our desktop interface, apps, and the mobile web, makes it difficult for readers to connect our products. There is a lack of unity in the concept of Wikimedia sites.
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It feels disorienting and disconnected:
It feels To whom and what? The users, volunateers or the person/editors writing that?

Navigation and interface links are organized haphazardly?
It looks fine to me.

Search for content:
Well I have never had any problems reading stuff on there.

Many readers are not aware that the content they are reading is written by volunteers and updated frequently:
I simply click on talk history to see the changes.

New editors are unable to use their intuition to set up their account?
I never really edit things from Wikipedia but I was able to set one up quickly to add to the feedback.

A very small percentage of readers understand how Wikimedia wikis function.
Is this true? I go there to read stuff, sometimes I see things are added or removed and see who changes the articles and so on.

Not consistent with mobe apps?
No I don't want it to look like a mobile version on my desktop with a big blooming toolbar stuck over the contents and the white spaces.
I use desktop version to avoid what I think I am seeing as bloat.


--- Quote ---How the changes will be made
Principles

We will not touch the content. We will not remove any functionality. We are inspired by the existing gadgets. We will not make major changes in single steps. We will not touch other skins than Vector.

We are working on the interface only. No work will be done in terms of styling templates, the structure of page contents, map support, or cross-wiki templates.
Elements of the interface might move around, but all navigational items and other functionality currently available by default will remain.
We have analysed many wikis and have noticed many useful gadgets. Some of them definitely deserve to be surfaced and be a part of default experience.
Though our changes are easily noticeable, we are taking an evolutionary approach and want the site to continue feeling familiar to readers and editors. Each feature is discussed, developed, and deployed separately. Skins other than Vector are out of the scope of our adjustments. We have frozen Vector to Legacy Vector, and begun deploying our features as parts of the new default Vector.
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So they have looked at other wiki's, found what they think is useful and want to make it the default experience whilst altering the interface. A certain skin or might not have stuff on it like other wiki's but the interface may include those unwanted things. Is that that they want to change the interface and force me to to see something for a mobile version?

Is this contradicting the first sentences about skins an vectors when changing the interface?


It is challenging for readers to focus on the content
Never had ANY PROBLEMS with it ever.

is cluttered and not intuitive.
Cluttered? Are they joking? Joke: Cluttered with what? Useful text relevant to the content (as it is now) and no with bloated UI graphics, fixed headers and widgets, white spaces and other crap I don't want stuck over it as an increasing rise I am seeing with modern websites.

If this was the case why didn't I hear complaints about this over the past two decades.
Maybe I am not looking in the right places.

What do you think of that?

I don't know, some of it sounds like bulshit to me like that the readers finding it difficult to read articles despite their being skins and templates they can choose from but correct me if you think I am wrong.

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I worked as a professional interface designer for a few years (and have been interested in UX for forever), and I agree with you. I perused the design experiments on the page you linked, and I think most of them make it worse.
Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on November 30, 2020, 01:03:21 am ---This is all assuming that HTTPS is 100% safe...  -  I believe it is safe against "ordinary" hackers, but is it also safe against well resourced snoopers e.g. governments and the like?

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Governments issue certificates, so no. But that doesn't mean it's a bad idea, just that there are important  caveats.
I wanted a rude username:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 01:42:14 am ---Governments issue certificates

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You may be referring to the DigiNotar attack, which spurred the development of Certificate Transparency, a distributed system to detect such fraudulent certificates. You are right though, there is still a caveat: they would not be detected immediately, providing an attacker a window of time in which to learn everything about their target before the trickery was revealed ...
Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: I wanted a rude username on December 12, 2020, 04:31:15 am ---You may be referring to the DigiNotar attack, which spurred the development of Certificate Transparency, a distributed system to detect such fraudulent certificates. You are right though, there is still a caveat: they would not be detected immediately, providing an attacker a window of time in which to learn everything about their target before the trickery was revealed ...

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I was referring to Kazakhstan's somewhat hamfisted attempt to abuse certificates to listen in on people. The main issue is that certificate authority trust is almost absolute, which means that the ability to issue certificates or exert power over issuing parties in the wrong hands leads to all kinds of unpleasant consequences. Even when the technology is safe, it doesn't always mean your data is.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-is-root-certificate/
I wanted a rude username:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 03:51:09 pm ---The main issue is that certificate authority trust is almost absolute

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Yes. And none of the proposed alteratives (chain of trust, blockchain, etc.) have worked out ... we only have mitigations (and many of those turn out also to be unacceptable ... look at certificate pinning).

It's much like with state-issued ID ... it becomes more important and pervasive each year, and acquiring it becomes more onerous.
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