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james_s:

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Wide screens are another idiocy and a problem in itself which has nothing to do with web design.
I miss 4:3.

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Wide screens are great for video, and they're nice for software that has toolbars on the sides, but I do like 4:3 better for browsing. I almost never use anything fullscreen though, I typically have 2-3 programs going at once spread out across the screen. A widescreen monitor is almost wide enough for two side by side browsers.

hans:
Indeed, I like widescreens because it gives options. A vertical monitor is great for text work, but that's pretty much the only thing it excels at. Practically it's a long single column format. Watching media is possible as a side-gig, but you'd be watching 16:9 content at 32% of the original size if I'm not mistaken. Maybe you could stack 2 windows for multi-tasking, but the separation needs to be clear in order not to confuse.

On 16:9 you can easily work with 2 documents or code files side-by-side and have room to spare for window panes, especially on 1440p or 4K (IMO 1080p is the resolution from 10 years ago, well for desktop monitors that is).
On 21:9 you have a 7:3 aspect ratio, which is very close to 2x 4:3 side by side without bezels. However, if you don't want to columnize your desktop, then such a monitor is also great for media consumption (bigscreen movies) and gaming for it's immersion. If I fly planes in MSFS I prefer VR, but if I do use 2D from time to time I really like a large FOV a widescreen offers. A 4:3 aspect feels almost like looking through a shoebox, or zooming out so much that big part of your screen is the roof in order to get the FOV (with the out-of-proportion distortions that go along it).

But those are just my 2 cents. I don't think either is right/wrong, it depends what you do with your computer and how.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on January 21, 2023, 11:39:27 pm ---[Screenshot: 1920x1080]
Eeesh, who reads at maximum screen size?

Narrow columns are more readable; it's good design on their part.
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I often prefer a narrower view, or larger text, but that doesn't change the fact that I hate the new Wikipeda. If I want a narrower view, I resize the window. It also means I can have something else on the screen, rather than it being wasted with white space. Widowed operating systems have been ubiquitous since the invention of the Internet. There's no reason for this madness.

berke:
I was expecting way worse, like new Reddit worse.  But it's not too bad.  I prefer the old one, but the new one is bearable enough that I probably won't append &useskin=vector too often.  If you make the window arrow the navbar even disappears.

Many websites these days recklessly put giant background videos and are turning into gesture-based semi-interactive animations with transition effects... and instead of the content you're looking for you just get 3-5 PR bullet points.  No I don't live in a cave and yes I do have multi-gigabit fibre.  No I still don't want to watch videos on your website, I came for an application note.

SiliconWizard:
As I hinted, it's all about giving users a choice, but it's not a thing anymore these days. Users can just go fuck themselves. :popcorn:

Yes, long articles are (usually) easier to read with relatively narrow columns, that has been known for centuries ever since we have written books. Also, narrow columns are good either for narrow books - or if the book or magazine is wider, then we use multi-column layouts. So, to be consistent, make the fricking Wikipedia multi-column. It will be easier to read and fit more within a given page. Or maybe people have become too stupid to know how to read multi-column text?

And, software applications are not books or magazines. One can resize windows to our heart's content and get the width we like. Isn't that wonderful? Why bypass that? Maybe with the ever-growing reasoning that most people are just too stupid to know what's best for them? I guess?

Oh well. :-DD

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