| General > General Technical Chat |
| Wikipedia's crappy new website! |
| << < (7/11) > >> |
| jonovid:
the website! that was begging for money just a few times in 2021-2022. in so trying to please everyone but ends up completely failing to do so IMO. |
| T3sl4co1l:
Would be interesting to do multi-column responsive, including images and tables appropriately. I think at a certain point, browsers themselves are the limitation -- this could be solved with adequate JS if nothing else, but then you're already assuming the reader is using JS. And a typesetting library in JS is a somewhat ponderous thing to create, depending on how in-depth you want it... ...Which is a thing, too, browser support I mean, but a relatively recent one: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/column-count Probably, combining that with responsive (flex-box etc.) elements would turn out okay. How much that can be done automatically (say as a theme on a Wiki) versus requiring document structure to support it, I don't know. On the upside, most readers are on smartphones, with a narrow screen and vertical orientation, so a single-column layout is quite promising there. Desktop users are in the minority, where some grumbling is acceptable -- mind, still a sizable minority, so flexible support is very much encouraged. (Not to mention support for stuff like high-vis user stylesheets, screen readers, and other accessibility options that are rarely considered by devs!) Tim |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on January 22, 2023, 09:40:59 pm ---Would be interesting to do multi-column responsive, including images and tables appropriately. I think at a certain point, browsers themselves are the limitation -- this could be solved with adequate JS if nothing else, but then you're already assuming the reader is using JS. And a typesetting library in JS is a somewhat ponderous thing to create, depending on how in-depth you want it... --- End quote --- I don't think multi-column is that complicated. Sure might take some work to make it look good for all articles. Possibly that would require authors of articles to check in both modes and make some adjustments especially for images. --- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on January 22, 2023, 09:40:59 pm ---On the upside, most readers are on smartphones, with a narrow screen and vertical orientation, so a single-column layout is quite promising there. Desktop users are in the minority, where some grumbling is acceptable -- mind, still a sizable minority, so flexible support is very much encouraged. --- End quote --- I wouldn't call that an "upside". It's very likely the rationale for those designs, sure. But it's quite problematic that the desktop uses are becoming completely ignored. You still can't beat desktop UI for any serious work. Mobile stuff is OK when you're on the go or want to quickly check some stuff out. |
| magic:
And how would you do multi column if it doesn't fit on one screen? Exactly 1/N of the content per column? So you see the middle of the article at the top with 2 columns? Or one column per screen height, scroll for more columns horizontally? Seems crazy :scared: Why can't you guys just disable JS to make this new layout work properly and stop ranting? :-DD |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---And how would you do multi column if it doesn't fit on one screen? --- End quote --- How do they do it in, say, pdfs? You fill a window length then switch to the next column (the number of columns being determined by the window width). Page instead of scroll, or scroll if there is just one column. I am sure there are other ways. Once the technical part - the flowing from one column to the next, and the arrangement of columns - is sorted then how it's actually served to the user is merely a user preference. |
| Navigation |
| Message Index |
| Next page |
| Previous page |