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strawberry:
xerox alto style rulz

16:9 I guess column drivers are linear and low speed
or film roll is smaller
or more compact laptops
MrMobodies:
As I understand it now, it is just a new skin that they apply as the default.

I raised the concerns in the discussions when they were trialing it in 2020 about fixed nav toolbar headers, dimming overlays and spinners for anything fixed to have a close button to hide it. Fortunately I see it doesn't have a fixed nav toolbar there yet and the side bar as a fixed element is closable.

What I don't like is when I open left side bar the contents get shifted to the right.

Just found this in web desktop improvement discussion:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements#c-The_Discoverer-20230116155200-AHollender_(WMF)-20230116141000[/url]

--- Quote ---Sticky header is not tall enough  :scared: for a two-line header
Latest comment: 6 days ago 3 comments 2 people in discussion

The header for logged in users on the Konkani Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gom:) is two lines to accomodate two scripts. When you scroll down, the sticky header is not tall enough for two lines. Should we fix this by modifying the height of the header locally in the css, *or should it be fixed globally in the software skin?  :bullshit: The Discoverer (talk) 07:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey @The Discoverer, thanks for reporting this. To clarify: does this only happen on the Main page, or on other pages as well? AHollender (WMF) (talk) 14:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@AHollender (WMF), It only happens on the main page, because the main page is the only one that is explicitly formatted to be on two lines. On all other pages the headings are shortened using ellipses (...) and do not wrap. The Discoverer (talk) 15:52, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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* What, and make it larger and deny them a choice that they once had before?
My proof that they have taken something that was never really a problem before to now turn it into a nuisance for those who don't want it stuck there constantly.

I wonder did they even ask their users (who actually use it) if they want the fixed nav toolbar on the main page they set to not only be double in size but to be everywhere else as they scroll to read the contents?

I don't see any fixed header there yet but one person requesting how to force this on every user using it in that country specific version by fixing it in the skin to always show (I thought that was the point of choosing templates) goes to show that they have no regards for user preference.


--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 22, 2023, 08:11:39 pm ---As I hinted, it's all about giving users a choice, but it's not a thing anymore these days. Users can just go fuck themselves.
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As above decided by ONE person.

Joke:
User: I will not have that thing rammed into my face constantly I find it intrusive and distracting.
Developer: How else are you suppose to browse websites?
User: Like before... it wasn't problem then was it?
Developer: It is like a stair case handle. No handle, you risk falling down and getting lost.
User: I am not stupid you know. What part of "I don't want it stuck there constantly" don't you understand.
Developer: No!
User: I have just hidden the elements with Adblock (not used to block ads as in the name if you ask) to stop it sticking there and that is me saying NO! to you.
It is my browsing area keep your hands of it.
Now if you don't like or can't understand that you can go and F*** yourself.
As you care about it so much why don't you just plaster that nav toolbar all over your website and forget about the contents as you seem care more about it than anything else than the guests be left alone trying to read the articles in peace.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: PlainName on January 22, 2023, 10:03:13 pm ---
--- Quote ---And how would you do multi column if it doesn't fit on one screen?
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How do they do it in, say, pdfs? You fill a window length then switch to the next column (the number of columns being determined by the window width). Page instead of scroll, or scroll if there is just one column.

I am sure there are other ways. Once the technical part - the flowing from one column to the next, and the arrangement of columns - is sorted then how it's actually served to the user is merely a user preference.

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Multi-column has been a solved problem in publishing for a few centuries. We send stuff to mars but we can't get a browser to display text in multi-column?
Word processors have been able to do this even on machines running at a few MHz. Come on. ;D
Zero999:

--- Quote from: T3sl4co1l on January 22, 2023, 09:40:59 pm ---On the upside, most readers are on smartphones, with a narrow screen and vertical orientation, so a single-column layout is quite promising there.  Desktop users are in the minority, where some grumbling is acceptable -- mind, still a sizable minority, so flexible support is very much encouraged.
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That's a straw man, as there's a separate site for mobile browsing.
T3sl4co1l:
On Wiki yes; but speaking more generally.

Tim
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