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Will our engineering resources become dominated by Chinese design?
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coppice:

--- Quote from: tautech on November 15, 2023, 08:01:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: schmitt trigger on November 15, 2023, 04:46:05 pm ---Empires come and empires go. Reading a little history shows the cyclical patterns of the rise and fall of nations.
Europe had four solid centuries of global supremacy, the first two led by Spain and Portugal, the latter two by France and most notably the UK.
Then it was, and still is, the USA. Some countries seriously challenged them, like the good old USSR, but ultimately failed.
Now it is China’s turn. Not there yet, but I am sure that my granddaughters will have to learn Chinese.

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Yet, learning English in China has be compulsory for at least a decade.

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It has been almost universal in China for decades, and the results have been brilliant.... in that it has created a huge market for English teachers. Pity they have had so few teachers that could actually speak English well. If they could fix that, maybe more than a handful of the people in China could be conversational in English. I've met multiple people that struggled to tell me in English that they have a degree in English. ;)
tszaboo:
China has it's problems, for example the real estate bubble bursting can put it into decades of financial crisis. Or we have to realize that the growth numbers are often times fake, with somewhat made up statistics.
That being said, more and more often I have to tell suppliers that they lost market to Chinese components. Either because they don't make the parts at all, and if they make it it's 10x more expensive. We order injection moulds from there, because locally they don't even use the right type of steel for the parts, and the people working on it are not knowledgeable and experienced enough. Meanwhile a factory in China will spill out 50 moulds a week. What the collective West must learn to do better is not taking the extra profit. For example, why can I buy the same ST MCU 1/5th the cost from China? Why am I punished with higher margins, and my design competitiveness less just because im in Europe?
coppice:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on November 15, 2023, 08:24:07 pm ---We order injection moulds from there, because locally they don't even use the right type of steel for the parts, and the people working on it are not knowledgeable and experienced enough. Meanwhile a factory in China will spill out 50 moulds a week.

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In the 80s, when work started moving from the EU and US to Asia in volume, we used to hear politicians say it was the low end simple work that was moving. This was true, but move on 30 years and all the highly skilled and experienced people are those people in Asia who got their start doing those simpler jobs when they were young.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: coppice on November 15, 2023, 08:31:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: tszaboo on November 15, 2023, 08:24:07 pm ---We order injection moulds from there, because locally they don't even use the right type of steel for the parts, and the people working on it are not knowledgeable and experienced enough. Meanwhile a factory in China will spill out 50 moulds a week.

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In the 80s, when work started moving from the EU and US to Asia in volume, we used to hear politicians say it was the low end simple work that was moving. This was true, but move on 30 years and all the highly skilled and experienced people are those people in Asia who got their start doing those simpler jobs when they were young.

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Yes, just like when they now say the same thing with "AI". :popcorn:
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: PapierzToaletowy on November 16, 2023, 04:59:18 am ---
--- Quote from: magic on November 15, 2023, 10:56:05 am ---He's talking about Europe west of Odra - you know, half of the continent or thereabouts ;)

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Ah, Right. I forgot about Oder–Neisse line which separates civilisation from barbarian states.

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Which side though? :popcorn:
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