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Offline joeqsmith

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #200 on: October 18, 2017, 10:38:12 pm »
Several more minutes pass and up comes the popup.  This time it says that it can't get the patch. No sht!  It want's me to contact MS tech support with some number.   At that time, I removed every patch that had been installed in the last few months.   

Strange is my desktop has never popped up with anything after the changes to the router.   The laptop must have been contaminated with more updates as I had left it off that router for a few days while I was sorting it out.   

Looks a typical scam to me, i once in awhile see it on exactly tv watching web sites. May have nothing to do with MS. You really think MS support wants to talk to you ?

I can only offer the forum what happens as I continue to tighten down on the traffic.  I am not posting the information to try and sway anyone's feelings about it, more just sharing the direction I have taken to try and make the PCs stable again. 

If you would like more information about the Microsoft 10 Update Assistant and the message, just Google the following:
"Something went wrong. You can contact Microsoft support for help with this error.  Here is the error code"
Leave the quotes in.

I did not write down the specific code but assume that it would be unique to them being unable to download the updates.   After uninstalling all their patches along with the new update assistant, I have not seen another popup on this PC. 
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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #201 on: October 18, 2017, 11:43:36 pm »
Came across a free program ShutUp10 from the respected anti-defrag company O&O:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

I haven't tried it yet, but it looks useful. It is a standalone portable program so it isn't installed, and it gives a simple interface to control security and privacy settings. If anyone is able to test it, it would be good to see if it helps to control Windows 10 a little. I currently cannot as my only Windows 10 is out of action till tomorrow.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #202 on: October 19, 2017, 12:08:15 am »
Came across a free program ShutUp10 from the respected anti-defrag company O&O:

It's probably one of the better ones, but all it does is wind all the publicly available switches down to zero. When I tried it, Windows was still very chatty,bthus my method of total isolation for the Windows machines.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #203 on: October 19, 2017, 12:12:56 am »
I was just able to try ShutUp10 in a Windows 10 VM that I had just updated to the Fall Creators Edition out last Tuesday.

Seems to work OK. When doing the upgrade, I turned off all the privacy options and Cortana during the update. I had selected a "Keep Nothing" upgrade, so I turned off all the "Talk to Microsoft" features presented to a new Windows user during initial setup.

ShutUp10 seems to show that over 90% of the Windows "Features" that talk to Microsoft are still running. I have attached a screen snapshot. There are another 3 pages of features after this one.

You probably shouldn't just go in and disable everything (green). That would disable things like Windows Defender that you may actually want. So if you use this tool, you do have to read what you are disabling.

ShutUp10 does have a recommended setting and you can choose the recommended setting for all the options with a click.
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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #204 on: October 19, 2017, 12:28:02 am »
Came across a free program ShutUp10 from the respected anti-defrag company O&O:

It's probably one of the better ones, but all it does is wind all the publicly available switches down to zero. When I tried it, Windows was still very chatty,bthus my method of total isolation for the Windows machines.
Thanks. I just went in to Windows settings and turned off all the privacy options, and yet Shutup10 still shown the majority of the features can still chat to Microsoft.  So this utility is probably a big improvement over wading through the Windows Settings, but I am sure you are right. There will be things that Microsoft never want to disable.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #205 on: October 19, 2017, 03:23:43 am »
I've been using SpyBot Anti-Beacon and will check out ShutUp10. Looks interesting. Thanks for the link.

Update: Just finished exploring it. Lots of good options in there. I blocked lots more stuff and exported the settings to make it easier to re-apply after future Windows updates.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 03:39:44 am by bitseeker »
I TEA.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2017, 07:33:41 am »
I've been using SpyBot Anti-Beacon and will check out ShutUp10. Looks interesting. Thanks for the link.

Update: Just finished exploring it. Lots of good options in there. I blocked lots more stuff and exported the settings to make it easier to re-apply after future Windows updates.
I also have been using spybot anti beacon plus I have turned cortana off in the registry plus the silent app installer. Without the browser open I have no outbound traffic according to wireshark after turning on the computer other than the handshake with router.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #207 on: October 19, 2017, 12:39:24 pm »
Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

Beware some tools change things that cannot be undone

Why You Shouldn’t Use “Anti-Spying” Tools for Windows 10
https://www.howtogeek.com/273513/why-you-shouldnt-use-anti-spying-tools-for-windows-10/
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #208 on: October 19, 2017, 12:49:23 pm »
Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

Beware some tools change things that cannot be undone

Why You Shouldn’t Use “Anti-Spying” Tools for Windows 10
https://www.howtogeek.com/273513/why-you-shouldnt-use-anti-spying-tools-for-windows-10/
The things can be undone just fine. Those tools just won't. Others will, however.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #209 on: October 19, 2017, 01:14:02 pm »
The things can be undone just fine. Those tools just won't. Others will, however.
Ok. That was a small warning. I read somewhere that changes are made not only in registry. Of course, they can be undone manually if needed.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #210 on: October 19, 2017, 03:48:03 pm »
Since it doesn't seem possible to make it completely non-intrusive and private with a reasonable amount of effort, I've found the best option is to simply not use Windows 10.
 
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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #211 on: October 19, 2017, 08:42:33 pm »
Comparison of Windows 10 Privacy tools
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

Beware some tools change things that cannot be undone

Why You Shouldn’t Use “Anti-Spying” Tools for Windows 10
https://www.howtogeek.com/273513/why-you-shouldnt-use-anti-spying-tools-for-windows-10/
I have had no trouble with Windows update and as I use a separate anti virus program windows defender is disabled anyway and not wanted as for the windows store I have as yet to want anything from it, silent app installer is disabled in registry as I am fed up with having noxious games perpetually popping up. 
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #212 on: October 22, 2017, 02:51:50 am »
I decided to let the little laptop run this latest set of updates.  Over 5GBytes downloading.  Consider it had just downloaded 3GBytes I'm impressed.  I assume 10Meg of that is for a new updater that will attempt to work around any blocks I have come up with, and 500M for the new Candy Crush game that requires .NET 10.    2G for the latest .NET 10.   The rest being ad and spyware.  Maybe some cute menu tossed in there.   

I would gut that company starting at the top.  Come on Bill, find someone that won't destroy in a few years what it took so long to build.   
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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #213 on: October 22, 2017, 01:08:41 pm »
Bill is too busy with his covert ugenics program using insect delivered "vaccines" these days to give a shit about m$
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #214 on: October 25, 2017, 01:17:55 pm »
I will instert this here also:

PSA: Do not install Microsoft creators fall update if you use Altium


There is a problem with update kb4041681 which comes with this.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4041681/windows-7-update-kb4041681
OK, this is a windows 7 update issue, but it is clearly there in windows 10

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Installing this update may cause applications based on the Microsoft JET Database Engine (Microsoft Access 2007 and older or non-Microsoft applications) to fail when creating or opening Microsoft Excel .xls files. The error message is, “Unexpected error from external database driver (1). (Microsoft JET Database Engine)".
Altium uses this for DBLib libraries, at least the Excel ones. I couldnt open any of my libraries, I got a EOIeException error. SoI couldnt place any new components. I dont know what else might have been broken, I had to go back to a restore point.
Forum with similar error.
https://forum.live.altium.com/posts/219414

Hopefully someone from Microsoft realizes, that they are breaking software that are somewhat more important than their 3D wet dream desktop.
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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #215 on: October 25, 2017, 01:31:59 pm »
Doesn't surprise me. They fired all their QA. We're all fucked.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #216 on: October 25, 2017, 11:44:51 pm »
Huh...

Didn't someone earlier say Altium was the reason they were locked into MS Windows and couldn't use Linux or Mac? Well, guess that's resolved itself.
It's perfectly acceptable to not know something in the short term. To continue to not know over the long term is just laziness.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #217 on: October 26, 2017, 12:01:57 am »
Huh...

Didn't someone earlier say Altium was the reason they were locked into MS Windows and couldn't use Linux or Mac? Well, guess that's resolved itself.

I did. Still, even if Altium is buggy on Windows, it's way better than not working at all on macOS and Linux.
Also, I expect this bug to be fixed in AD18 since they will be moving to fully .NET based (no legacy Delphi components).
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #218 on: October 26, 2017, 12:15:55 am »
Sure. (no sarcasm)

I'm no fanboy, it's just increasingly easy to poke fun at MS. Give them some more time, I'm sure they will brew up more annoying bugs "for Altium to fix" by altering *their* software.
It's perfectly acceptable to not know something in the short term. To continue to not know over the long term is just laziness.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #219 on: October 26, 2017, 11:30:21 am »
Ran into a new problem but I am not sure if it related to the creators update.   Its highly suspect. 

I have a custom board inside the PC that I talk to using LabVIEW.  When I bought the new PC, I switched over to using their driver Wizard tool.  This creates the INF and INI files.   I then talk directly to the board using LabVIEW built-in functions. 

I went to run it and was able to read and write to the board just fine.  Everything worked normal, except there were no interrupts.  I did not suspect the hardware would fail and cause this.  I had made no changes to the code since I ported over to with the new PC. When I would attempt to enable the events triggered by the hardware interrupt, LabVIEW will error with a code that had very little information on.  Size mismatch or such.

After various tests and having no luck, I was going to reinstall the hardware in the old P4 machine just to make sure it was not really a hardware problem.  Instead,  I decided to recreate the INF/INI files from scratch.  The tool I used is the same version.  The two files match with the old ones.   I attempted to update the driver to new (even though it was identical) and Windows 10 would not allow it because of the signature.  I used the shift restart/seven to override this.   And bingo, it all starts working. 

I don't install a lot of software on this PC.  The only other thing that was new was I had to upgrade VirtualBox after the creators update.  It makes no sense that MS would have scrubbed the settings and disabled the interrupts.   Yet, I can't explain why this happened.   Maybe when they were blue screening my PC with their latest spyware, Candy Crush X-box updates, they disabled the hardware as part of the recovery.   
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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #220 on: October 26, 2017, 01:04:35 pm »
I expect this bug to be fixed in AD18 since they will be moving to fully .NET based (no legacy Delphi components).

that's interesting, it should run with MONO in Linux then.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #221 on: October 26, 2017, 02:18:10 pm »
I expect this bug to be fixed in AD18 since they will be moving to fully .NET based (no legacy Delphi components).

that's interesting, it should run with MONO in Linux then.
Because that supports directx, right?
I suspect maybe 1% of current Altium users want to run their tool on Linux, but 99% of Linux boys want Altium to support their OS. Even though they dont have a license for it, and not planning on getting one.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #222 on: October 26, 2017, 02:59:57 pm »
i'm not concerned,
i do reverse engineering - not design engineering.
the only thing in altium i would use is the schematic creation - and there are faster and smaller programs that do that just fine.
(KiCad is not one of them!  |O )
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #223 on: October 26, 2017, 05:28:51 pm »
OK, this is REALLY important!

Xilinx Vivado does run on Win 10 1703 but it will not start on 1709.  The update has to be removed which, fortunately, is pretty easy to do.

BUT...  You need to now prevent Windows from automatically updating in the future.  Google is your friend.

It appears I may be stuck at 1703 for the foreseeable future.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Creators Update 1703
« Reply #224 on: October 26, 2017, 06:18:10 pm »
lol
try to start it from a command-line
that trick used to show you what is not being found etc.
 


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