Windows 10 incompatibilities for EEVBLOG fans

[mikeselectricstuff]

Just building a new PC as part of an upgrade from XP - I don't see any reason to put anything later than W7 on it - I have W7 on my laptop and everything I need runs fine.
Being unable to load unsigned drivers is a total dealbreaker for me - Things like devboards often come with unsigned drivers.
I also use quite a lot of older stuff like MPLAB8 on the basis of "ain't broke, Don't fix"

[rdl]

https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

You would have to be an absolute idiot to install Windows 10 and agree to Microsoft's new "Privacy Policy" and "Service Agreement".

[mikeselectricstuff]

Just building a new PC as part of an upgrade from XP - I don't see any reason to put anything later than W7 on it - I have W7 on my laptop and everything I need runs fine.
Being unable to load unsigned drivers is a total dealbreaker for me - Things like devboards often come with unsigned drivers.
I also use quite a lot of older stuff like MPLAB8 on the basis of "ain't broke, Don't fix"

Why won't the same reason you're upgrading from XP apply to W7 eventually?

Eventually, yes, but the same can be said for anything. I need to get stuff done now. As things stand, W7 is good enough, W8+ has problems that I don't need to spend time dealing with.

[miguelvp]

https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/

You would have to be an absolute idiot to install Windows 10 and agree to Microsoft's new "Privacy Policy" and "Service Agreement".

I'm an idiot and taking the plunge, 58% done. This is for my electronics dedicated computer, so MS can have a lot of fun sending me more advertisings about electronics, I really wouldn't mind

Hey, after all Google recommends me stuff all the time and I really don't mind it at all either.

[Lightages]

I am glad I have waited, and I will wait even more. I would like to see if the privacy thing is all FUD or real. I suspect it is real. Win7 is the best MS OS I have used so far and I can't see how blindly jumping into Win10 is a wise thing.

[miguelvp]

well, to be honest I do have other reasons for taking the plunge. I like what they've done with their websockets and new http libraries. So I guess I also use it for development and I want to be able to use their latest sdk's.

[BravoV]

... <sniP... "ain't broke, Don't fix"

Sign that you're old Mike, youngster these days have different pov .... "ain't broke, break it"    ... j/k

[miguelvp]

... <sniP... "ain't broke, Don't fix"

Sign that you're old Mike, youngster these days have different pov .... "ain't broke, break it"    ... j/k

Sign that I'm old is that I'm going to a Social Distortion concert on Tuesday.

Edit from Windows 10, so far so good. Was using my Android tablet while my system was upgrading.
So far the only thing I miss is minesweeper, not a big loss.

[wraper]

So far the biggest issue I found is that if installing Intel AHCI driver (x79 chipset) from 2013 (newest version at all normal places, ASUS, Intel, other motherboard mfg websites), PC just shuts down instead of sleep or hibernation. This is rather strange. Usually, if such issues, PC either fails to wake up properly or crashes while going to sleep. But this one just shuts down and even no "shutdown properly" popup after boot, like nothing happened. No such issue if using legacy driver or on Asmedia Sata 3 controller (slower than built in into the chipset).
Usual Intel AHCI drivers which are available in newer versions are not compatible with X79, so only enterprise drivers would do. Sticking with generic driver was either not a good option as I have SSD and MS driver would limit the speed.
So after a few hours of googling and trying to install everything, finally found this forum:
http://www.win-raid.com/t2f23-Intel-RST-RSTe-Drivers-newest-v-WHQL-v-WHQL.html
This it the only place I found with win 10 AHCI/RAID drivers for X79/C600, INF files only, no installer.
Installed them and whoa la, sleep/hibernation works  .

[retrolefty]

Well I've been running W10 for three days now with no problems. Installation seemed to take about an hour but no problems seen. It did seem to remove my Norton anti-virus app
(only desktop shortcut it messed with) but I suspect that just requires an update from Norton?

[hamster_nz]

Upgrading to Windows 10 caused my aged Xilinx Vivado license to expire.

Rolling back to Windows 8 did not resolve the issue - the license still showed as expired.

I had to get a new license file form Xilinx's licensing site to resolve the issues.

I'm not brave enough to give it another try with this fresh license....

[VK3DRB]

Well I've been running W10 for three days now with no problems. Installation seemed to take about an hour but no problems seen. It did seem to remove my Norton anti-virus app
(only desktop shortcut it messed with) but I suspect that just requires an update from Norton?

Probably a good thing. Norton never worked well on ANY platform since Symantec took over. Norton's bloatware that is only rivalled by Apple's iTunes bloatware on the scale of software. Both are suited more for old age pensioners and politicians who know nothing about anything technical.

Try Bitdefender instead of Norton, assuming it works with Windows 10.

[ccs46]

There some issues with the Microsoft Virtual Miniport Adapter. Such as it saying it's not even there or something like that.

[Dr. Frank]

Well,
after shut down of the AVIRA virus scanner, the download finally worked fine, after many failed trials before, on all of our five W7PRO machines.

I am using a low power desktop , 20W, AMD E350M1, µATX, with Samsung 128k SSD plus 1TB Seagate.
Purpose also is to log data from Lady Heather from the Thunderbird GPSDO on low cost.

I always had problems, to watch Daves 1080p50 videos with the Internet Explorer, had to use 720p50.

Anyway no chance at all with Chrome or firefox, as their video machines require too much graphics power..

The migration to W10 also copied the old IE11, and what a wonder!
Even the 1080p50 runs absolute smoothly, with usage of Flash player, or with the built in HTML5 features!

Great improvement!

Edge is not yet running stably, there's often a video error from YouTube, but once I could also watch these 1080p50 there, smoothly.

During the first sessions , the machine was very slow for boot up (40sec instead of 26 before), and the start of any program was very slow.

I completely removed the virus scanner, using the W10 firewall and virus protection only..

So latter problem improved greatly, and obviously got better and better when using the machine more often.

Only the boot time still was too slow.

But there are nice new features to check out the problem..

Call msconfig => Start , this will redirect you to the Task Manager.

There you can see, which autostart program are slowing down the boot process.

In my case, there were two National Instrument programs (for GPIB card), and that horrible Samsung phone manager KIES, which had "High" impact, so I deactivated them from autostart.
 
(Galaxy II phone is used for Keysights BenchView ;-)

After that, the machine now boots and works like a charm.. naked W10 boot time (w/o BIOS) is 17sec 14sec 12 sec only!
Engaging energy saver mode and back is also faster than before.

For sure, you have to disable these dangerous modes, like P2P SW updates  , and the whole "spy" programs and features, which are common on tablet and phones... For the rest of MS conditions , I'm not really afraid of..

Done that, this more modern W10 is highly recommended, especially as the upgrade is free and will last the next decade(s).

Frank

[Mechanical Menace]

True, and Linux is just an NSA plot to make us install their backdoored code. Only FreeBSD is safe, and only on SPARC because x86 and ARM have backdoors too.

SELinux isn't a must, just don't use that kernel module. You can check the code if you don't trust it, and if you're really paranoid compile it without it. The US Government has contributed plenty of code to the BSDs as well...


EDIT:Quick question, if I say upgrade from Win 7 Ultimate do I get 10 Pro or Home?

[technix]

Just upgraded, Atmel Studio and AVRISP Mk. II are working, as well as my M180v3 USB to UART adapter (anything using CH340 and CH341 really). PICKit 3 and Arduino's not tried yet.

[ElektroQuark]

Quote from: Mechanical Menace on Today at 15:09:13

Quick question, if I say upgrade from Win 7 Ultimate do I get 10 Pro or Home?

Ultimate upgrades to Pro.

[VK3DRB]

Spoke to two blokes today and both said their machines ran slightly SLOWER with Windows 10, on the boot-up and the time it takes to open files. One had an older laptop. The other had a fairly new i7 machine with an SSD.

Who knows why it runs slower. Maybe Windows 10 is gathering intelligence for the CIA (just joking... maybe).

I cannot see why I would even bother updating Windows 7 to Windows 10 except that Microsoft will end support for Windows 7 in the not too distant future.

Can anyone say if there is ANY advantage they have seen going to Windows 10?

[Len]

Can anyone say if there is ANY advantage they have seen going to Windows 10?

Many people have said they prefer Windows 10 to 8.1 because they hate the Start screen and apps that take over the whole screen. There are a couple of comments like that on this forum.

I've upgraded one of my PCs to Windows 10. No problems so far. I can't tell if it's any faster or slower than 8.1.

[netdudeuk]

I upgraded mine this afternoon and an hour later, it's back at 8.1 

The system is pretty old but I added a SSD recently and it goes pretty well.  However, it felt obviously slower with Windows 10 so it had to go.

[chicken]

After upgrade, Win10 seems to (re)index the whole drive, which can take an hour or a few and might cause slowdown on older systems. So before judging speed and even reverting, let it sit for a while and check in task manager if the search indexer is done.

That being said, my old (2007) and cheap laptop needed an upgrade to SSD and 4GB RAM ($170 investment) before being bearable to use right after (quick) startup. In Win10's defense, it wasn't a speed daemon under Win7 either.

[CatalinaWOW]

So far upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 is OK.  I wouldn't bother switching if you haven't, but I probably won't switch back.

No absolute incompatibilities so far.  I've got a fairly eclectic mix of hardware, some going back 15 or more years, and a similar mix of software.  Some programs from XP era look weird in the latest windows dressing, but I can learn to live with that.  By running in compatibility mode the weird look is diminished, but requires a mouse click approving running a program with an unknown publisher.  Some of these programs are from Microsoft, so I guess it is another case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing. 

Pluses from Windows 10 - On my system it seems somewhat faster, and video seems a little better integrated.  I am running a dual monitor system with a midrange Radeon card, on a system that includes integrated graphics on the mother board.  When first installed it took half an hour or so for Windows to listen to the bios and get things right, so displays were constantly blinking in that interval.  Software updates over time had reduced but not completely eliminated the problem.  W10 seems to have got it right straight off of the install. Microsoft Edge (the IE replacement) seems a little quicker and more stable than IE.

Minuses.  I don't find the new windows visually appealing.  There is a heavy handed push to Edge and Bing.   In the classic windows mode the power down is now three mouse clicks away.  Don't know if it is easier in the "new" layout.  Many personal settings were slow to transfer and slightly bollixed in the transfer.  Things like playlists and favorites.  The upgrade took significantly more than an hour.  Lots of searching and clicking to get MS out of your knickers from a privacy standpoint.

[pretenda]

I quite like Windows 10. It has a few stability problems on my laptop so far, video drivers for the crappy intel graphics card in it aren't great, but the benefits so far outweigh the cons. I've been running KiCad no problem. I just tried to run ltspice and it doesn't want to go. It just says: 'This app can't run on your PC'. Not the most helpful error message. I'm downloading it again to rule out a bad download, but it is coming down at 10KB/s at the moment. Perks of living in Australia. Go Tony.

Edit: Downloading it again worked. I love dialup speeds.

[unitedatoms]

Just for All to know:

AVRISP MkII USB drivers will fail to load in Windows 10 after upgrade from Windows 8.1. This drivers work well before upgrade and after rollback to 8.1.

[VK3DRB]

Just for All to know:

AVRISP MkII USB drivers will fail to load in Windows 10 after upgrade from Windows 8.1. This drivers work well before upgrade and after rollback to 8.1.

It's a gotcha! They are popular programmers too. Not good, but not surprising.

I wonder if it also affects the JTAG ICE MK2. I won't upgrade until I know, or Atmel releases a statement or upgraded driver about it, or someone here has tried the JTAG ICE MK2 with Windows 10.