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Offline cimmo

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #100 on: February 09, 2016, 05:24:27 am »
BTW, I HAD to build this machine from parts because it is now impossible to buy a new pre-built PC from a branded manufacturer WITHOUT Windows pre-installed (and licence fee paid). This sort of market manipulation/monopoly abuse is just not on and I will not be a party to it (MS provides lower cost licences to these OEMs on the proviso that they do not offer for sale any PC with an alternative OS).

You know you can return the license for refund at least in Europe. I would be very interested to hear of cases and step by step instructions on how to do it in North America.
Perhaps such a thing is possible.
And the Acer US website also says it is  possible to get a Windows licence refund.
But this is how they want to do it:
"It is possible to receive a refund for the Microsoft Windows Operating System that shipped with your computer. You will need to contact Acer support and schedule the computer to come to our service center.

The computer will need to be shipped to our facility at your expense. We will then remove the Operating System from the hard disk drive and remove the Certificate of Authenticity from the computer.  The computer will then be shipped back to you, and you will be able to install the Operating System of your choice."

Sure, you can get possibly get a refund (and pay the shipping both ways to get it done), but buying a PC in the first place WITHOUT Windows?
Nope. That's apparently too hard - which is precisely the way Micro$oft wants it to be.
 
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #101 on: February 09, 2016, 06:11:54 am »
I haven't bought a factory built PC with Windows pre-installed since 1996. Anyone of reasonable intelligence that can operate a screwdriver can easily do the same. However, it's hard to beat the price of a Walmart special, assuming it lasts more than a year or so. These days most people probably consider a PC as disposable anyway.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #102 on: February 09, 2016, 06:13:44 am »
I haven't bought a factory built PC with Windows pre-installed since 1996. Anyone of reasonable intelligence that can operate a screwdriver can easily do the same. However, it's hard to beat the price of a Walmart special, assuming it lasts more than a year or so. These days most people probably consider a PC as disposable anyway.

License of discounted Windows OEM license prohibits installation of Windows OEM by end user, except for Windows 8.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #103 on: February 09, 2016, 06:41:05 am »
Who would voluntarily use Windows 8?

I'm actually not at all sure what you're trying to say in response to my post.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #104 on: February 09, 2016, 06:44:38 am »
Who would voluntarily use Windows 8?

I'm actually not at all sure what you're trying to say in response to my post.

I meant if you want to install Windows, the cheaper way is to get it built with a M$ certified dealer.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #105 on: February 09, 2016, 07:12:37 am »
As far as I know, Microsoft sells the Windows license at a discount price only to very large OEMs (in exchange for them conforming to many restrictions). They probably pay $50 or less. I believe smaller system builders pay the same price for an OEM disk as anyone else, which is about $140. So I guess I don't see a cost advantage. Doesn't matter much any more since Microsoft no longer offers an operating system worth using (actually, Windows 7 OEM disks are still available, but probably not for much longer).


edit: Okay, I see now where you say "M$ certified dealer", maybe those do get a better price.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #106 on: February 09, 2016, 03:14:47 pm »
I haven't bought a factory built PC with Windows pre-installed since 1996. Anyone of reasonable intelligence that can operate a screwdriver can easily do the same.

My thoughts exactly. In Brazil this is called "grey market" and there are many shops that will assemble a PC to your spec, using the parts you choose as long as they can buy them.  Most the times they ship these PCs with Ubuntu, but pirated copies of Windows are also quite common.

The only factory-built PC I ever bought was a Gateway 2000 386DX/25, exactly 23 years ago. After that I have always built my own PCs. I fugyure I can get a much better "bang per buck" if I buy all the components myself and just screw them together. I've even made some money on the side doing this for family and friends.

BTW, I am still using Windows 7, and I have no plans to move from it.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #107 on: February 09, 2016, 03:16:53 pm »
What I would like to know is how Microsoft is getting away with this behavior? It is illegal, I think, in most of the world to tamper with a person's computer to gain access to their data. They are even trying to do against my express wishes to avoid their intrusion.

Most likely we agreed to it when we pretended we read the EULA to get the OS to install :-\

Me thinks you are right....
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #108 on: February 09, 2016, 03:18:19 pm »
What I would like to know is how Microsoft is getting away with this behavior? It is illegal, I think, in most of the world to tamper with a person's computer to gain access to their data. They are even trying to do against my express wishes to avoid their intrusion.

They are getting away with it because they are an American corporation doing what the American government tells them to do.

America has fought wars for their corporations. I thought this was well known in South America.
This is also known to those of us who are living here and are awake and paying attention to what goes on...
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #109 on: February 09, 2016, 06:34:41 pm »
Here at one time MS was selling the OEM version of XP if you were doing a hardware upgrade, so as to reduce the amount of pirate copies of XP ( 1000 computers, one copy of XP on them all with the same key). Discounted, so you would go buy a MS Intellimouse, and get a Cd and COA for a very low price, provided it was for a PC you were not using yourself. So take a friend to pay with your money..........

Did toss away some Win98SE packs away recently, never used and never opened, but bought just in case we needed extra PC's and wanted a key for them. Just bought enough copies so we dropped to the bulk price, was around 25 copies IIRC. Of course doing the assembly and install it was a lot faster to Ghost a single drive rather than run the CD, so was busy for a few minutes testing each assembled unit doing some quick regedit work to put in the key as a initial Qc check.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #110 on: February 09, 2016, 07:35:30 pm »
Here at one time MS was selling the OEM version of XP if you were doing a hardware upgrade, so as to reduce the amount of pirate copies of XP ( 1000 computers, one copy of XP on them all with the same key). Discounted, so you would go buy a MS Intellimouse, and get a Cd and COA for a very low price, provided it was for a PC you were not using yourself. So take a friend to pay with your money..........

Did toss away some Win98SE packs away recently, never used and never opened, but bought just in case we needed extra PC's and wanted a key for them. Just bought enough copies so we dropped to the bulk price, was around 25 copies IIRC. Of course doing the assembly and install it was a lot faster to Ghost a single drive rather than run the CD, so was busy for a few minutes testing each assembled unit doing some quick regedit work to put in the key as a initial Qc check.

It also happens in China, called "get genuine kit". It only supplies to dealers, certified or not, but must be working in a computer mall.
There is a way to get free Windows copies, if you know your dealer sold a pirate copy to you. Simply mail your invoice with CD media to MS anti pirate office, then they will ship you a genuine copy.
Of course, your dealer will get in some trouble and will not like you anymore. I got a copy of W7 ultimate through this method 2014.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #111 on: February 09, 2016, 07:48:52 pm »
I have one computer that's been running Windows 7 in 30 day trial mode since 2012. It gets updates and everything. If I hadn't paid for the OEM disk, it would have been free.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #112 on: February 10, 2016, 12:56:47 am »
I have one computer that's been running Windows 7 in 30 day trial mode since 2012. It gets updates and everything. If I hadn't paid for the OEM disk, it would have been free.

Only with black desktop saying your windows is not a genuine copy.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #113 on: February 10, 2016, 01:14:03 am »
I have one computer that's been running Windows 7 in 30 day trial mode since 2012. It gets updates and everything. If I hadn't paid for the OEM disk, it would have been free.

Only with black desktop saying your windows is not a genuine copy.

One non-essential service must be disabled and then it will run indefinitely without the non-genuine warning or black screen, but they will appear after a restart if the 30 day limit has been exceeded.

All you do then is issue the rearm command. It can only be rearmed 3 times (120 days total). After that a (very slightly) more complicated set of commands must be used to gain another 120 days of use. Repeat as necessary to keep running. No 3rd party software is needed, it's all part of a standard Windows 7 install.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2016, 09:12:31 am »
What I would like to know is how Microsoft is getting away with this behavior? It is illegal,...
Just throw some millions to Hillary and Rubio.
They will define what is legal, or is seen as legal, or is prioritised as illegal.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2016, 09:23:56 am »
... The only solution to Windows is some other operating system and Linux (in whatever flavour suits) is a perfectly valid alternative for almost everyone.

Just a few weeks ago I built a skylake machine and installed Ubuntu Mate 15:10. A few minor tweaks and it's rock solid, no worries.
And it boots in <9 seconds.
I did that too, works fine to open facebook and print a letter.

But I also want Sketchup + Diptrace + Mouse driver + Saleae LogicAnalyser + Rigol screenshot + Labview + Photoshop + some Embedded C compilers + Epub reader + Wireshark + Teamviewer + Eid + No-Ip Server + MyIPcam extension for my browser ...

Sure for everything "exists" an alternative or solution, but then you have the wrong distro or the wrong installer or the wrong version.
Or you get a linuxised version of a program that remembers me to windows 3.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2016, 09:37:13 am »
Yep. The show stopper for my is that Linux printing really sucks. I'm used to QImage for printing high quality photographs, no alternative.

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2016, 09:39:32 am »
I did that too, works fine to open facebook and print a letter.

But I also want Sketchup + Diptrace + Mouse driver + Saleae LogicAnalyser + Rigol screenshot + Labview + Photoshop + some Embedded C compilers + Epub reader + Wireshark + Teamviewer + Eid + No-Ip Server + MyIPcam extension for my browser ...

Sure for everything "exists" an alternative or solution, but then you have the wrong distro or the wrong installer or the wrong version.
Or you get a linuxised version of a program that remembers me to windows 3.

This is like being in an abusive relationship and looking for excuses not to divorce.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2016, 09:57:40 am »
This is like being in an abusive relationship and looking for excuses not to divorce.

The only solution to permanently get rid of the (limited) abuse, is become/staying single...
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2016, 10:08:37 am »
Hackintoshing is another alternative many people don't consider. Now days it's fairly easy and OS X is a great OS. About the only thing that reports back to the mothership is the Spotlight because it searches the Web, but you can disable that easily (it's just a checkbox).

MS has enjoyed their desktop monopoly for far too long. All most people want is a slim OS that acts like XP did, with some updated modern features. MS has been making dick moves since Vista, but people still buy into it. Inertia is a helluva thing. If you're a gamer than you're pretty much stuck. DirectX has that on lockdown.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2016, 11:58:20 am »
"Windows is getting disgusting "

The solution is simple: don't use Windows.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #121 on: February 12, 2016, 08:57:06 am »
Linux is great until you try to print something out...
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #122 on: February 12, 2016, 12:16:18 pm »
"Windows is getting disgusting "

The solution is simple: don't use Windows.
Or just use the version before it started "getting disgusting"...
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #123 on: February 12, 2016, 02:29:44 pm »

"Windows is getting disgusting "

The solution is simple: don't use Windows.
Or just use the version before it started "getting disgusting"...

Not much is compatible with Windows 3.11 though...
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #124 on: February 12, 2016, 02:52:52 pm »

"Windows is getting disgusting "

The solution is simple: don't use Windows.
Or just use the version before it started "getting disgusting"...

Not much is compatible with Windows 3.11 though...

Windows 3.11 ... ?

Blooooooooody luuuxury, I tell you.

We had to get up in the morning, half an hour before we went to bed, work 29 hours a day down at mill, then come home to Windows 3.1.......
 


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