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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #125 on: February 12, 2016, 03:00:52 pm »
 You had it easy then. Back in my day you didn't even get Windows. No MS-DOS either. If you wanted a program in your computer, you typed it in by hand, on a hex keypad. ANd there was no way to save it when you turned the power off (or it went out).

 I just threw out a set of Windows 3.11 floppies.

 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #126 on: February 12, 2016, 03:03:42 pm »
We dreamed of having a hex keypad!!

All we had was a pair of toggle switches that we had to wire up to enter machine code in binary two bits at a time.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #127 on: February 12, 2016, 03:07:13 pm »
 You had TOGGLE SWITCHES? All we had were phone plugs and a big patch panel.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2016, 03:09:51 pm »
When I say toggle switches, I mean they were two bent nails and a rusty coffee tin that we shaped into toggle switches!!
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #129 on: February 12, 2016, 03:11:48 pm »
You had patch panels? All we had were rooms full of women with mechanical calculators!
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #130 on: February 12, 2016, 03:13:24 pm »
Our calculators were our toes!
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #131 on: February 12, 2016, 03:17:34 pm »
 :-DD :-DD

I actually DID have nail and coffee tin switches - besides Legos (and in my day we had only various size rectangular bricks, none of this fancy formed shape stuff!) my other favorite 'toy' was a box full of lantern batteries, lights, and home made switches. My blanket forts had working lights in them. Even though our camper was a simple tent on wheels type, with no electric or anything, we always had a light. It all kid of went by the wayside once I got old enough for the various Radio Shack (Tandy) experimenter kits and I discovered the rest of electronics. But is it any wonder I went for an EE degree - it's what I wanted from the moment I learned what a college degree was and what someone who worked with electronics did.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #132 on: February 12, 2016, 03:24:27 pm »
... Try telling that to the kids of today - and they won't believe you!



(I do)
 

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Nagware and spyware, now core part of Windows!
« Reply #133 on: February 13, 2016, 09:57:47 pm »
In early 2000 "spyware" and "adware" was something clueless computer users caught by mistake and that had to be removed. It was something bad. Today it is apparently such a vital part of the "Windows Experience" that it is built right into the OS, including the nagging! Android, by contrast, has always had this crap. But it is possible to disable and it is a cellphone. And a cellphone has never really belonged to you as much as being part of the carrier's network. Carriers own "your" SIM card and can remotely install and run applications on it, as well as sometimes on the phone. But as the two converges all of the bad stuff from cellphones seems to creep over into the computer; the touch UI:s, the locked boot loaders (Secure Boot) and now the constant surveillance.

Myself I am less affected as I run Linux full-time except for some games since at least 10 years back. I don't like Apple products either but they generally serve their users well (not me) and doesn't have a vested interest in violating your privacy. If I was still using Windows I would feel betrayed though; this is my PC, not some overpriced, carrier-locked device that you have to bully people into buying.. So that once they're paying a total of $2000 for that privilege, spending $100 per year in the app store seems rational; to get the most out of it.

And this loss of trust is troublesome, because if they are prepared to start treating their existing, paying customers like your average online advertisement network does.. How will they use their power over Secure Boot, the keys to the boot process? Already, the previously mandatory disable option has been made optional for the latest version. To prevent "the Windows XP fiasco" where none upgraded, they could lock out previous Windows versions as well as all third-party OS:es.

And the Linux world is far from perfect. In an effort to "simplify" it large parts of it has become unnecessarily complex, with badly engineered solutions that starts to look like Microsoft Windows under the hood. Applications like Firefox are integrating "sponsorware" and is removing privacy-enhanching features. And in the light of the second Crypto Wars we need confidence in our own devices more than ever.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #134 on: February 13, 2016, 10:28:47 pm »
There are increasing attacks on Linux. Sabotage, subversion, Linus Torvalds has been served a National Security Letter, Ian Murdock died under suspicious circumstances after encounter with the police...

Somebody does not want this Open Source thing any more and is ready to remove the velvet glove.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2016, 10:42:21 pm »

There are increasing attacks on Linux. Sabotage, subversion, Linus Torvalds has been served a National Security Letter, Ian Murdock died under suspicious circumstances after encounter with the police...

Somebody does not want this Open Source thing any more and is ready to remove the velvet glove.

Ian Murdock was drunk, trying to break into a house and police detained him while they investigated; whereby he started smashing his head into the metal cage in the back of the cruiser. An ambulance was called and he fought with the EMTs and was taken to the hospital to have a cut on his forehead stitched up. He was then released and *went back* to the same house and again tried to break in. Police responded, he was taken to jail and thrown in the drunk tank. He was released that morning, where he went home and a few days later offed himself.

There's not some big conspiracy here. If the government wanted him dead, he would just disappear or have an "accident" or something. No, in this case, Ian had either a substance abuse problem or was an EDP. No police brutality. No assassination. Nothing.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #136 on: February 13, 2016, 11:21:12 pm »
You seem very certain about the sequence of events around that death.

Surely you must have explanations for other deaths too.

Aaron Swartz, hacker, decided to kill himself out of boredom.
Barnaby Jack, hacker, just checked out without explanation, how rude.
Josh Greenberg, pirate, definitely not foul play or suicide, pinky promise.
Jonathan James, hacker, decided to shoot himself because he missed his childhood days spent in prison.

These are just the hackers... I don't even get into the political ones.

 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #137 on: February 14, 2016, 12:50:38 am »
You seem very certain about the sequence of events around that death.

Surely you must have explanations for other deaths too.

Aaron Swartz, hacker, decided to kill himself out of boredom.
Barnaby Jack, hacker, just checked out without explanation, how rude.
Josh Greenberg, pirate, definitely not foul play or suicide, pinky promise.
Jonathan James, hacker, decided to shoot himself because he missed his childhood days spent in prison.

These are just the hackers... I don't even get into the political ones.

These people developing Windows cracks and TrueCrype/VeraCrypt are still alive.
BTW, smart guys do do silly things, such as Mr. Reiser, the legend in high performance file systems, ended up serving 15 years in jail.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #138 on: February 14, 2016, 01:16:04 am »
I would agree that Reiser was locked in for his crimes. 

However we still have Nils Torvalds testifying in front of the European Parliament and every other indication that Linus has indeed received a National Security Letter.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #139 on: February 14, 2016, 01:31:09 am »
I would agree that Reiser was locked in for his crimes. 

However we still have Nils Torvalds testifying in front of the European Parliament and every other indication that Linus has indeed received a National Security Letter.

So what? I receive FBI warning email every year through our IT department, they send emails to everyone who download videos from the internet.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #140 on: February 14, 2016, 02:09:24 am »
no way to close the upgrade nag on windows 7
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #141 on: February 14, 2016, 02:19:00 am »
no way to close the upgrade nag on windows 7

I did.

Once I ran SFC and it came back - but I just repeated my fix and no nag.   :)
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #142 on: February 14, 2016, 04:15:30 am »
I posted these before but here it is again:

https://github.com/th3power/aegis-voat
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

They help keep the whack a mole game down to a minimum.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #143 on: February 14, 2016, 09:35:08 am »
Funny Linux is a lot easier to install a printer on ( at least not those brain dead abominations that are Winprinter, where the printer is merely an interface and the raster engine and processing is done in the connected PC) by just plugging it in. No HP Experience 500M download, no trial versions of assorted photo editors, paper suppliers added to toolbars, no remote update ( which either does not work, or which downloads a new driver on every startup or login even if it is the same) and no "User Experience enhancement" tool to annoy you after

EVERY




BLOODY





PAGE





PRINTS



along with the "your printer cartridge is not a genuine unit" even with the one supplied with the sealed unit.

Linux, unpack printer, use the quick start page included to remove all the packaging inside ( found a printer at work last week installed by the IT supplier, still with some of those pieces inside, seems nobody had used the front paper feed ever), put in the trial cartridge ( same price as regular one, just 1/10 the capacity with either a physical blocker to take up space, or just a regular cartridge programmed to report lower capacity), plug in and turn on, then wait 3 minutes for the OS to find the driver on the built in list and install support. Then print test page...

Network printers are even easier, just run the CUPS installer and tell it is is a HPGL or PS printer and it does everything for you without actually caring about the printer itself so long as it speaks HPGL or PS. Still have a new HP printer that is using the 4MV driver, and this even supports the new printer doing double sided print the 4MV never could do without flipping the paper over and selecting odd or even print.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #144 on: February 14, 2016, 09:40:52 am »
Maybe to print some text...

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #145 on: February 14, 2016, 09:56:41 am »
Maybe to print some text...

90% of the computers in our company run Linux (on the desktop). Do you really think we could do this if we were able to print text only?

We print our schematics, datasheets, drawings whatever. And yes, sometimes we do have problems with Linux.
Also Linux isn't perfect. But, at least for us, it works better, faster, efficienter and more reliable than windows.

 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #146 on: February 14, 2016, 11:51:15 am »
"90% of the computers in our company run Linux (on the desktop"

How typical do you think your company is in that regard?
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #147 on: February 14, 2016, 11:53:51 am »
I run Linux and I do astrophotography, high dynamic range and high resolution image processing of TIFF  and FIT images using mainly PixInsightLE (a Windows program running under WINE) and gimp, and I print them on a Canon inkjet printer without difficulty. Even full-page photo prints. Of course I use the right kinds of papers for photo prints. So I don't understand why some people complain about Linux image printing. It just works. Even over the network, if I remember to actually turn the printer on.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #148 on: February 14, 2016, 11:55:23 am »
"90% of the computers in our company run Linux (on the desktop"

How typical do you think your company is in that regard?

Well... if it's good enough for .... MICROSOFT....

google "Microsoft uses linux" and see what you get.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #149 on: February 14, 2016, 12:52:53 pm »

"Well... if it's good enough for .... MICROSOFT"

Two points

1, why do you want to be in comparison y of Microsoft, a clueless company by all account?

2. Why would you base your decision on what others use? Do what's good for you. To hell with Microsoft or anybody else. If it is good for you, it is good for you. Have some confidence in your ability to know what's good and what's not good for yourself.
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