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Offline b_force

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #475 on: August 25, 2016, 11:37:16 am »
There are many ways to get rid of that Win10 popup message btw!

Personally, I haven't seen any mayor improvements since WinXP. It's mostly just eye candy.
Most of the things could easily be implemented, but they simply refused. (I guess they need something new and 'important" for the next update).

The only thing that really bothers me in Win7 is that audio over bluetooth isn't working. Microsoft is telling that people need to contact the hardware companies. The hardware companies say people need to contact microsoft. DOH!

I've actually found a feature in Win10 that is useful

Ctrl + V now works in a command window.
at last...


that's it, there's no other point in upgrading.
That's not a new feature, that's just a flaw in the old version!  ;) 8)
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #476 on: August 25, 2016, 12:09:32 pm »
Imo , nearly all these last few posts have happened over the last 20 years many times , some updates crashed/trashed the whole system to make it un-bootable , plenty of times in all versions but rarely in win7 so far , win7 has been good just like xp sp2 was , i was really doubtful on upgrading to win7 but so far (excluding the w10 saga) its also been all good , so what I'm getting at is all that stuff and more and many instances over heaps of pages in the thread has all happened before .

What I'm actually really getting at and i do not care whether one likes or thinks win10 is the best thing since sliced bread is i personally think that w10 is terrible to look at , and terrible to work with the GUI , because it is just like a tablet or whatever one would want to call it , like i mentioned in my case if i wanted a tablet i would buy one and the reason i prefer desktops (even if its old in today's world) is the fact it is a desktop environment and GUI .

And i do believe some that have posted and have learnt over the years that the meta data collecting is more prevalent in w10 and I'm not saying it has never happened with any previous versions just that it is "more" than previous , it also fits in with all the monitoring of the world (spying) from that area just recently been busted .

Sure MS has to keep up with the kiddies (you poor kiddies it's your fault yaknow) , they have to feed the feeds and that bit is OK by me as i do not care , but , , i do not want or require to be force fed or forced feeded off , no apps no connectivity only the net and no other bullshit and just play my favorite pc game , hopefully i can last for awhile longer on W7 but when the time comes I'll throw that away as I'll throw away everything else , move to the middle Himalayas , no power , no nothing , just a pair of binoculars and a battery Short Wave Radio and listen and watch all you lot get fully Nuked big time , and yes I'll be Laughing my Guts out too Ha Ha Ha Ha ..

And if your wondering up at the Himalayas , there won't get Nuked as no one will know I'm up there Ha Ha Ha Ha
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #477 on: August 25, 2016, 12:22:29 pm »
Personally, I haven't seen any mayor improvements since WinXP. It's mostly just eye candy.
How about Aero Snap (introduced in Vista, where you can snap windows to the sides of the screen or make it full screen)? That's quite useful, although there's pretty much nothing else noteworthy (does anyone even use Aero Shake? ...) ...  :)

Correction 1/9/16: Aero Snap, Shake and Peek were all introduced in Windows 7, not Vista.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #478 on: August 25, 2016, 12:27:04 pm »
Personally, I haven't seen any mayor improvements since WinXP. It's mostly just eye candy.
How about Aero Snap (introduced in Vista, where you can snap windows to the sides of the screen or make it full screen)? That's quite useful, although there's pretty much nothing else noteworthy (does anyone even use Aero Shake? ...) ...  :)
The fact it's there, doesn't mean it wasn't possible in WinXP.
There are tons of 3rd party applications who can do all these kinds of things.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #479 on: August 25, 2016, 12:46:27 pm »
I have one machine left that still has Windows on it (Windows 7). I reinstalled it a few weeks ago from the original OEM disk. I wanted to get all the updates prior to 2015, but every time I try Windows Update fails to connect. I guess microsoft's system is overtaxed from copying the contents of all the windows 10 users computers.

You need to be extremely patient. Some users had to wait about 12-24 hours to get the updates. Based on the experience on how MS tried to push Win10 to all PCs running Windows >=7, I'd think that this is another deliberate attempt to encourage people to upgrade.

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #480 on: August 25, 2016, 12:48:47 pm »
But an entire system that is created to spy on you, I admit I never seen something like that: you can defeat disk encryption, they can defeat virtualization, they can exploit pretty much anything, antivirus included.. They can collect "data" and what about metadata (markers and stuff like that) being collected? So basically they not only can steal your passwords (credit cards included, if you use them) in no time, they can upload pretty much anything you produce whitout your consent (trojan horse) AND the huge amount of information and stuff like that it's fully searchable because of metadata in notime!

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You can't pull out the tin foil hat images if it's true.

Windows 10 collects everything you do, and can legally send everything back to Microsoft, it's all in the EULA.  There are options in the settings to turn some of the data collection off, but Windows turns those settings back on by itself without your knowledge or consent.  I'm not joking or exaggerating there, the first Win 10 machine I used (this was after the full release, not insider), I went into the settings and turned the collection/distribution of all private data off.  I then installed a couple of pending updates, rebooted, went back into the settings, and half of them had turned themselves back on!

Microsoft has shifted its business model from software sales to subscription and data collection.  You don't want a company like that running the OS on your personal computer, especially not a company that has proved time and time again that they are more than willing to use underhanded and borderline illegal tactics to get what they want, even without users' consent.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #481 on: August 25, 2016, 01:02:48 pm »
Sadly true, some (many, all?) updates reset several settings back to their defaults. Who would check all changed settings after each update? It's insane.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #482 on: August 25, 2016, 01:12:44 pm »
I used a winXP computer today.  Old machine, but it had never been networked.  It booted extremely fast and did everything extremely well.  The system time was off by a few hours, but I think it would be ethically wrong to tell this machine that it was doing something wrong.

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #483 on: August 25, 2016, 01:29:24 pm »
My daughters laptop got the windows 10 virus a while back.  We get the usage e-mail and I have to laugh because its been showing 0 usage for weeks now because her laptop isn't useable anymore.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #484 on: August 25, 2016, 02:36:47 pm »
You can't pull out the tin foil hat images if it's true.

I sure can, because while M$ do collect info so do tens of thousands of other companies as soon as you're doing anything on the web. The point is that if you're here, MS is probably the least of your worries. It's just laughable how everybody screams to evil M$ while being completely oblivious to the rest of their surroundings... W10 gave such a good opportunity to point the finger at that people suddenly completely forgot about the rest, even when it's orders of magnitude above.

When I look at it I see that now that they consider users' feedback and how their product is used they're finally fixing things that should have been done long ago - that's the whole point of it.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #485 on: August 25, 2016, 02:49:13 pm »
You can't pull out the tin foil hat images if it's true.

I sure can, because while M$ do collect info so do tens of thousands of other companies as soon as you're doing anything on the web. The point is that if you're here, MS is probably the least of your worries. It's just laughable how everybody screams to evil M$ while being completely oblivious to the rest of their surroundings... W10 gave such a good opportunity to point the finger at that people suddenly completely forgot about the rest, even when it's orders of magnitude above.

When I look at it I see that now that they consider users' feedback and how their product is used they're finally fixing things that should have been done long ago - that's the whole point of it.

The big difference is that those "other companies" are somewhere you have to make an active decision to go. It's your choice. Windows 10 is an OS, it's always there snooping into everything on your computer and anything it can access on your local network. It's not under your control. Those "other companies" you visit on the internet do not have the same privileges.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #486 on: August 25, 2016, 02:58:50 pm »
The big difference is that those "other companies" are somewhere you have to make an active decision to go. It's your choice.
Not at all.

Every single click you make online can be (and is) logged, tracked and forwarded to any number of entities anywhere in the world without you having any clue about it nor being able to find the info should you want to. It's not in your control either, unless you don't go online at all. Guess what, if you don't go online at all with W10 it won't supply info either  ^-^
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #487 on: August 25, 2016, 03:01:32 pm »
You can't pull out the tin foil hat images if it's true.

I sure can, because while M$ do collect info so do tens of thousands of other companies as soon as you're doing anything on the web. The point is that if you're here, MS is probably the least of your worries. It's just laughable how everybody screams to evil M$ while being completely oblivious to the rest of their surroundings... W10 gave such a good opportunity to point the finger at that people suddenly completely forgot about the rest, even when it's orders of magnitude above.

When I look at it I see that now that they consider users' feedback and how their product is used they're finally fixing things that should have been done long ago - that's the whole point of it.

Not even close to the same thing.  Those companies online don't have root access to your personal computer with loggers recording every keystroke you make, anywhere, for any reason.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #488 on: August 25, 2016, 03:03:21 pm »
The big difference is that those "other companies" are somewhere you have to make an active decision to go. It's your choice.
Not at all.

Every single click you make online can be (and is) logged, tracked and forwarded to any number of entities anywhere in the world without you having any clue about it nor being able to find the info should you want to. It's not in your control either, unless you don't go online at all. Guess what, if you don't go online at all with W10 it won't supply info either  ^-^

There's a huge difference between recording mouse clicks on websites and recording every file you write, every key you press, and every word you speak within range of the microphone on your computer.
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #489 on: August 27, 2016, 09:37:10 pm »
My first post using the new PC.

I installed Wireshark and was going to start looking at the packets to control my National Instruments Ethernet GPIB adapters.   I had all the BS crap I thought disabled but the OS keeps making recommendations about some stupid candy ass game it thinks I want to play.   When I fired up Wireshark there was a fair amount of traffic.  See attached for one packet. 

IE was not running, nor was anything else for that matter.  The data in the packet is very strange.

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Most of the time when you go to the hospital its a game of hurry up and wait.  You rush to get the medical attention you need, and then wait for what see....

Doing a search on the phrase I get the following

http://labviewni.com/category/medical/

I was impressed they could target what they thought I may be interested in, even though Explorer was not running.   The IP address they were targeting was 23.220.240.123.   This is not National's but rather seems to be a company called Akamai Technologies.   I started reading on them and ..... wow.   

No wonder MS wanted me to give up XP...
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #490 on: August 28, 2016, 12:54:49 am »
 joeqsmith , i have seen that stuff before too , that Akamai has often come up too and a couple of well known others , Norton is another i can think of atm .

Don't expect me to be accurate as this other stuff has been found over the years and on different platforms , quite often (but not lately w7 as i have give up being interested) in the past i have looked deep inside the hard drive with some specific software to see what was poking around of course spending hours and hours doing so , i was amazed at some of the stuff that was found , long rants by someone's? but obviously a programmer and some actually claiming MS or suggesting , stories and generally weird ones too , several back and forth conversations between what looked like insiders? of MS , in some embedded MS files little quotes and snippets of so called wisdom , and some pictures that i know i have never seen on the net or looked at ever , and all in all most was never download by me with my knowledge or seen or ever even known about!

One had to really drill down into the Hard drive as all that stuff was not visible or accessible in a normal way , the machines over the years to me were always "safe" , never had a issue with virus/Trojans and would be deemed relatively clean , yet there was all that useless? stuff just sitting there hidden away .
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #491 on: August 28, 2016, 12:28:22 pm »
Personally, I haven't seen any mayor improvements since WinXP. It's mostly just eye candy.
How about Aero Snap (introduced in Vista, where you can snap windows to the sides of the screen or make it full screen)? That's quite useful, although there's pretty much nothing else noteworthy (does anyone even use Aero Shake? ...) ...  :)
The fact it's there, doesn't mean it wasn't possible in WinXP.
There are tons of 3rd party applications who can do all these kinds of things.
That's true, but they're mostly extremely buggy and just don't work as well as the one in Win7 or even Vista... :-\
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #492 on: August 28, 2016, 01:46:38 pm »
Personally, I haven't seen any mayor improvements since WinXP. It's mostly just eye candy.
How about Aero Snap (introduced in Vista, where you can snap windows to the sides of the screen or make it full screen)? That's quite useful, although there's pretty much nothing else noteworthy (does anyone even use Aero Shake? ...) ...  :)
The fact it's there, doesn't mean it wasn't possible in WinXP.
There are tons of 3rd party applications who can do all these kinds of things.
That's true, but they're mostly extremely buggy and just don't work as well as the one in Win7 or even Vista... :-\

Ubuntu MATE did that when I upgraded to it - it was extremely annoying!  Fortunately I was able to disable it...
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #493 on: August 29, 2016, 05:55:33 pm »
I was impressed they could target what they thought I may be interested in, even though Explorer was not running.   The IP address they were targeting was 23.220.240.123.   This is not National's but rather seems to be a company called Akamai Technologies.   I started reading on them and ..... wow.   
Akamai, is a company that you can hire to host files across the world - i.e., if your file server is in one geographical location and you want to speed up file transfers in another part of the world you can hire them and they will allocate server storage, synchronize and reroute any data requests.

I suspect they don't scrutinize what data is being served. Therefore it may be possible that a company whose servers were hacked may automatically synchronize its data in all other servers hosted by Akamai which will fool you into believing they are the ones spewing spyware. Not sure, though.

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #494 on: August 30, 2016, 10:50:46 am »
Dropbox just discontinued support for Windows XP, which is another nail in XP's coffin...  :(
 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #495 on: August 30, 2016, 11:34:55 am »
"There are a million of free CAD programs"

To most people, that would be reason no 1 to not use any of those  "free" programs.
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #496 on: August 31, 2016, 02:00:41 am »
After spending several days working out how to control my PCI board, I was pretty confident that I could pull the plug on the old P4 XP box.  Just needed to do a few simple tasks ... or so I thought. 

How do you take something as simple as email and screw it up??  I use different incoming/outgoing ports for SSL with 3DES.  It appears MS removed the ability to change them. 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_apps-insider_mail/how-to-set-pop3-and-smtp-server-port-addresses-for/2433a934-08de-4b9f-a1c6-1f2ff60c942d?auth=1
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #497 on: August 31, 2016, 03:00:02 am »
Managed to get it working...   

So, the servername:port seems to be the correct format.  Appears to require access to the calendar.  Make sure to reset the PC!  I had stored my password for the account and Mail kept asking for it every time I would try a different test.  After the reset, it now seems to know. 

I did not find anything on how to select the algorithm.  It must be smart enough to figure that out....

Now that I can at least send and receive, I notice no more drag and drop for attachments.  Is it really this bad? 

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/apps_windows_10-outlook_mail/windows-10-drop-n-drag-window-mail-attachment/a2ad94f6-c478-461a-81a4-29f9278c2e6c?auth=1
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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #498 on: August 31, 2016, 04:25:18 am »
This person has a good point:

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Microsoft, for God's sake, could you please provide these "engineers" with at least some fundamental instruction? The reason the Windows 10 Mail App doesn't allow drag and drop is because it doesn't possess that capability.

Meantime your "engineer" is on here advising people to take their installation apart bit by bit, costing them I would bet more than an hour of their time, and everything he recommends is wrong. It has to be wrong because THE PROGRAM DOESN'T HAVE DRAG-AND-DROP CAPABILITY! Shame on you.

From what little I've seen, the "help" people get from Microsoft forums is a joke.



 

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Re: Windows is getting disgusting
« Reply #499 on: September 26, 2016, 11:23:07 am »
I tried going on said Microsoft forums to help people I solved a few people's problems, but then some of the powers that be would ignore my perfectly good answer and send users on a wild goose chase. God forbid I once tried to get help I kept getting bounced around things I either already told them clearly that I had tried, or ridiculous solutions that are not related at all

"I have an SSD with no specific driver, the UEFI can boot it, and Linux is happy with it, but I can't for the life of me get windows 10 to even acknowledge It's existence. Just in case, I even ran a round of windows defender and malwarebytes."

"Have you tried the malicious software removal tool?"
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