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Title: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: David on October 11, 2010, 08:17:44 pm
So I was debugging a wire-wrapped prototype at work the other day, the first time I had really had hands-on experience with it. My first thoughts were that it was an absolute nightmare to debug, however after several days I have now come around to the idea. In fact, I don't understand why more people don't wire-wrap prototypes! The advantages seem very obvious; no soldering, easy dissasembling, complex 'routing' without restrictions of strip-board/breadboards etc, cheap, fast... I may have to look into purchasing a wire-wrap tool and giving it a proper go myself.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/PDP-8I-backplane.jpg/220px-PDP-8I-backplane.jpg)  :o
Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: JohnS_AZ on October 11, 2010, 08:43:18 pm
Just a little historical perspective ...

The board pictured is from a 1980's-ish Acromatic airborne telemetry data decommutator. This board is -not- a prototype or a one-off, it's a full production product. There are a number of reasons for producing wire wrapped boards, but the one I found most interesting was that they were more physically reliable than PCBs in high vibration environments.

Also, there used to be (maybe there still are) fully automated wire wrap machines that could churn out wrapped boards like this.


Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: Jon Chandler on October 11, 2010, 09:43:27 pm
The Nicolet 440A Mini Ubiquitous Spectrum Analyzer was one of my favorites.  This is late '70s technology and it's completely made of wirewrap boards.  My attempted troubleshooting on it was a failure.  No matter how carefully I traced a wire and compared it to the schematic, one end of the wire was a steady 5 volts, and the other end had a square wave.  Time for the professionals.

Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: GeoffS on October 12, 2010, 12:39:03 am
I used to work on Univac 1100 mainframes back in the 1970's.
Thousands of wire-wrap connections in the main cabinet made tracing a wire almost impossible.
Fortunately, they were very reliable and most faults were failed logic cards.
Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: Mechatrommer on October 12, 2010, 04:20:43 am
...one end of the wire was a steady 5 volts, and the other end had a square wave.  Time for the professionals.
need my pro advice? well.... u missed something in the "middle" no matter what. i repeat, u missed something in the "middle". thats a nonsense in term of physics! ;)
Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: Jon Chandler on October 12, 2010, 05:56:19 am
Yeah, it's obvious that a solid wire can't have a signal at one end and a steady level at the other.  But doing my best  to trace the wire, even with a well-done schematic I couldn't prove otherwise.

Look at the first picture of this thread and you should be able to see how difficult it is to trace a wire through the mess.
Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: djsb on October 12, 2010, 11:51:27 am
This is where a HP 547A current tracer would come in handy

http://www.alliancetesteq.com/node/17204 (http://www.alliancetesteq.com/node/17204)

It could be used with a logic pulser to inject a signal and trace it through a wire (it detects the magnetic field around the wire).

Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: sonicj on October 13, 2010, 07:13:55 pm
i have a similar device for tracing wires behind walls. its called the fox & hound. works great! heres some notes on building one. http://www.sentex.net/~mec1995/circ/foxhound.html (http://www.sentex.net/~mec1995/circ/foxhound.html)
Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: logictom on October 13, 2010, 08:38:30 pm
I did wire wrapping once at uni and I won't be doing it again. It took so long to do it, obviously something that would decrease in time the more you did it, but it was so difficult to keep track of what was connected to what, if you wrapped a wire wrong at the beginning you had to lift all the wires above it. What a pain the arse, give me a breadboard and some wire any day of the week :)
Title: Re: Wire-Wrap Prototyping
Post by: Neilm on October 14, 2010, 06:37:57 pm
The good thing about wire wrapping is it teaches you disipline and meathodology - mess it up and you have to undo half your board.

Neil