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Offline vk6zgo

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Going back to the original comments,though,(& this is pure prejudice),I find it hard to see Julian Assange as a badly done by martyr.
The smarmy,smug look he always has on his face makes it hard to warm to him!
 

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Well, he's been granted asylum as everyone predicted.
The Ecuadorian's are possibly the only country left in the world with the balls to stand up to the US.
Their press conference was interesting, what I caught of it in English. They really stuck it to everyone.

And this pretty much sums it all up:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/08/americas-vassal-acts-decisively-and-illegally/

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Damn ... the lucky Chinese are harvesting the fruit, aren't they ?  :P

I'd imagine someday a Chinese diplomat will be shouting "Stop this humanitarian crap will ya ? You "dirts" are not even in the same league to sit & discuss with us anymore  !" in a diplomatic "session" with US, UK, Sweden or Oz  clowns  governments .  LOL ... ;D


Not sure if US & it's puppies are aware that the tide "tsunami" (pronounce it with chinese accent) is coming ........

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Bear beats a dog, but a pack of small dogs will bring it down.
 

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Bear beats a dog, but a pack of small dogs will bring it down.

Who knows, if the big bear treated the baby bears badly enough and starved them for a very long time, there is a possibility that the pack of disgruntled baby bears them self will do it instead of the dogs, pretty scary and eerie scene indeed.  :o

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As for Assange , his claim is that he did not rape those women or force himself on them and that the charges are a ruse to get him to Sweden in order to send him to the USA.

That is actually a stated fact by the women themselves, it was consensual.
Assange has never been charged with anything, not a thing. He is not wanted on rape charges, just for simple questioning.

As usual, there's probably more going on behind the scenes that the rest of us aren't privy to. The lawyer for the two women involved has been quoted as saying

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It's an abuse of the asylum instrument, the purpose of which is to protect people from persecution and torture if sent back to one's country of origin. It's not about that here. He doesn't risk being handed over to the United States for torture or the death penalty. He should be brought to justice in Sweden. This is completely absurd.

If the two women are saying it was consensual, then why is their lawyer saying Assange should be brought to justice in Sweden?
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Greetings EEVBees:

--DJ has stated:

"It also helps when your family is best friends with two US Presidents, you have them stay at your family palace, your family has invested in their family's business, your brother was having private breakfast with said ex-president on the morning of 9/11, and they like you so much that they let your entire family leave the country on a private jet whilst everyone else in the country is grounded."

--Of course if you believe that all of the Bushes were complicit in 911, and that therefore the invasion of Afghanistan, and the destruction of the caves at Tora Bora was not really an attempt to get OBL, but an elaborate farce to cover murderous and pointless warmongering, plain and simple, then your statement makes sense. In fact not all of the BL family are terrorists, and if fact they did not "leave the country on a private jet whilst everyone else in the country is grounded." This is an oft repeated lie by Michael Moore, see below quote from the 911 Comission Report:

"During the morning of September 11, the FAA suspended all non emergency air activity in the national airspace. While the national airspace was closed, decisions to allow aircraft to fly were made by the FAA working with the Department of Defense, Department of State, U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI. The Department of Transportation reopened the national airspace to U.S. carriers effective 11:00 A.M. on September 13, 2001, for flights out of or into airports that had implemented the FAA's new security requirements.

After the airspace reopened, nine chartered flights with 160 people, mostly Saudi nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. In addition, one Saudi government flight, containing the Saudi deputy defense minister and other members of an official Saudi delegation, departed Newark Airport on September 14. Every airport involved in these Saudi flights was open when the flight departed, and no inappropriate actions were taken to allow those flights to depart.

Another particular allegation is that a flight carrying Saudi nationals from Tampa, Florida, to Lexington, Kentucky, was allowed to fly while airspace was closed, with special approval by senior U.S. government officials. On September 13, Tampa police brought three young Saudis they were protecting on an off-duty security detail to the airport so they could get on a plane to Lexington. Tampa police arranged for two more private investigators to provide security on the flight. They boarded a chartered Learjet. The plane took off at 4:37 P.M., after national airspace was open, more than five hours after the Tampa airport had reopened, and after other flights had arrived at and departed from that airport. The three Saudi nationals debarked from the plane and were met by local police. Their private security guards were paid. and the police then escorted the three Saudi passengers to a hotel where they joined relatives already in Lexington. The FBI is alleged to have had no record of the flight and denied that it occurred, hence contributing to the story of a "phantom flight." This is another misunderstanding. The FBI was initially misinformed about how the Saudis got to Lexington by a local police officer in Lexington who did not have firsthand knowledge of the matter. The Bureau subsequently learned about the flight.

These flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily the FBI. For example, one flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. Screening of this flight was directed by an FBI agent in the Baltimore Field Office who was also a pilot ... The Bin Ladin flight and other flights we examined were screened in accordance with policies set by FBI headquarters and coordinated through working-level inter-agency processes. Although most of the passengers were not interviewed, 22 of the 26 people on the Bin Ladin flight were interviewed by the FBI. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity."

--Now, while it is acknowledged that some members of the BL family are business acquaintances of the Bushes, I do not think anyone takes seriously the notion that the two families are "best friends."

--Mr. Assange formerly had his own TV program on "Russia Today" under the auspices of fellow "Openness Advocate" Vladimir Putin, under whose reign many journalists have disappeared with out a trace, and whose enemies have developed mysterious cases of poisoning, including radiation poisoning from Polonium. Now, Mr. Assange has obtained asylum in a country run by a fellow who is reputed to be a front man for the drug cartels. No word yet on whether Mr. Assange's friends who put up his bail in good faith will be getting their money back, but it does not seem likely. Oh well, Mr. Assange still hates the USA, and that's the important thing.

“Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is justice."
H. L. Mencken 1880 - 1956

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Going back to the original comments,though,(& this is pure prejudice),I find it hard to see Julian Assange as a badly done by martyr.
The smarmy,smug look he always has on his face makes it hard to warm to him!
I think it's unreasonable to judge anyone on the "smugness of their look" -- if that were the case I suspect we'd be lining an awful lot of politicians up and shooting them.

The real issue here is that we appear to (yet again) have another abuse of the legal system -- and yet again (as with the Dotcom saga), the USA is busy pulling strings and leveraging its "might" to usurp natural justice and in some cases, even due process and legal rights.

If the "smug look" test applies then I find the USA guilty of gross abuse of the rights of the rest of the world.

Don't get me wrong -- I have many US friends who I consider to be wonderful people.

However, you know, right from the moment you get off the plane at LAX and are greeted with "threats" rather than a "welcome to the USA" -- that the administration of that country is sorely rooted.

The US people deserve a lot better than the government(s) they have.  The best way for them to *win* the war against terror would be for the USA to stop pissing on everyone else's doorstep.

Look after your own problems before you start imposing your miight and influence on the citizens of other nations.
 

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Well, according to el Reg, he has been granted asylum.
 

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It'll be own George Bush era.
Actually it'll be another John Howard era. A lengthy era of solid stable and often boring governance. They'll need a few years recharging the coffers before we have the spare billions necessary for another wasteful Kevin07 socialist experiment.
 

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But then again,Tony has the biggest ears since Billy McMahon
Which mandates he avoids sitting on swivel chairs, near open windows on windy days, nothing too much to worry about. Speaking of funny ears your Miss Julia must have had an earlobe transplant with a Spock fan. And a surgical mishap that resulted in those being attached upside down.
 

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The smarmy,smug look he always has on his face makes it hard to warm to him!
If smug, smarmy looks were illegal most politicians, journalists and Apple Fan-boys would need indefinite imprisonment.
 

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Bear beats a dog, but a pack of small dogs will bring it down.
Are they sending a pack of small dogs into the Ecuadorian embassy? Who found they had a guard bear?  ;)
 

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Well, according to el Reg, he has been granted asylum.
Asylum and free egress across the entire expanse of the Embassy grounds. It's a freedom much like that of Hutt River Province. Free to live by their own law without prejudice as long as it complies with Aus law and taxation obligations are met.
 

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Well, according to el Reg, he has been granted asylum.
Asylum and free egress across the entire expanse of the Embassy grounds. It's a freedom much like that of Hutt River Province. Free to live by their own law without prejudice as long as it complies with Aus law and taxation obligations are met.

Theres talk of smuggling him out in an oversized diplomatic pouch...
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But then again,Tony has the biggest ears since Billy McMahon
Which mandates he avoids sitting on swivel chairs, near open windows on windy days, nothing too much to worry about. Speaking of funny ears your Miss Julia must have had an earlobe transplant with a Spock fan. And a surgical mishap that resulted in those being attached upside down.
I rest my case!
 

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What I find note-able in this issue is that the other co founders of Wiki-Leaks have distanced themselves from Assange and that there would appear to be no move against them by the US. If the prosecutor is just overzealous the court would throw the case out.
 

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Theres talk of smuggling him out in an oversized diplomatic pouch...

From news reports out of Britain today:

'If a man-shaped diplomatic bag is seen emerging from the Ecuadorian Embassy and we prod it with pitchfork  to confirm that it only contains diplomatic items, a squeak of ''Ouch!'' would give us all the legal options we needed to ask the Embassy yo undo it and show us who or what is therein,' former British Ambassador Charles Crawford said

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189749/Threadbare-room-inside-Ecuadorian-embassy-Julian-Assange-hiding.html#ixzz23qq5qBPv
 

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The smarmy,smug look he always has on his face makes it hard to warm to him!
If smug, smarmy looks were illegal most politicians, journalists and Apple Fan-boys would need indefinite imprisonment.

Sounds like a good idea! ;D
 

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Theres talk of smuggling him out in an oversized diplomatic pouch...
Rumours of the construction of a Trojan Andean Condor have begun surfacing, as large deliveries of feathers, glue and muslin cloth have recently been seen arriving at the embassy.
 

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I have rarely been more of two minds than I am about Assange and WikiLeaks.

On the one hand, I am a big advocate of the whole "information wants to be free" school of thought, and think that openness and transparency tend to be very good things for a democracy.

But on the other, think that WikiLeaks and Assange were highly irresponsible in how they shotgunned big wads of raw communications out there for all to see. Selective releases of stuff that is morally questionable is one thing, but blasting out every bit of gossip that the US State Department ever shared amongst themselves about every world leader is not constructive, not for the US and not for the world.

Perhaps a little more restraint was called for...
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Some interesting insight into Ecuadorian authorities being a champion of human rights.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/fickle-clickers-like-any-old-target-20120818-24f0r.html
(yes it is the right link. Read through to the end)
 

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If Wikileaks is dedicated to free information, and Wikileaks starts censoring themselves, doesn't that defy their own mission?

Wikileaks provides valuable service. It's like network security: security through obscurity is not security. If state dept secrets are being leaked, the state dept needs to plug those holes.
 

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I recall the very sage advice my mother gave me when I was just a little fella:

Never say anything behind someone's back that you're not prepared to say to their face.

It's served me well (although it has created a few enemies because some people don't like my forthright opinions) -- it's a shame that the USA and others don't follow the same simple rule -- then nothing Wikileaks published ought to bother them -- unless they're doing something they ought to be a shamed of (which so often, seems to be exactly the case).

What is it that we're so often told when we are forced (under threat of imprisonment) to surrender yet another freedom by "the powers that be" in the name of national security and the "War against Terror"...???

Oh, that's right "Only those with something to hide have anything to fear".

It's obvious that the word "hypocrisy" has been expunged from the dictionaries used by our politicians.
 


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