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| AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 20, 2022, 04:07:30 am --- --- Quote from: AVGresponding on December 19, 2022, 06:58:19 pm --- I have been chatting in Discord about this with one of our German members, and it seems DEU regs on containment differ considerably from UK ones. I still think it looks terrible to have exposed bends! --- End quote --- I don't see how glaring it is. It's common to see such in Industrial applications both in Germany, Portugal (my country) and even China (were I'm currently stationed). It meets and in some cases (China) suppass the regs. In UK is different, but for me the most outrageously thing is how home installation in the UK is done, with the CUs under stairs or high in the ceeling or inside cabinets in kitchens and cables under floorboards, in some case just laying down there. And the ring circuits... Give me the inside wall PVC pipes with singles and junction box on each room every single day and radial circuits as it's done in Europe and China. Ahh and let's not talk about the cluster fuck it is the Australian CUs (just look at Dave's video about it). CUs should be in a easy accessible, at a proper height level without needing steps or going inside a cramped place to do any work. But if it meets regs of the country then it's just a different way of doing it. --- End quote --- It is in the regs that consumer units, panel boards, distribution boards, should be readily accessible for maintenance and testing purposes. The BS7671 regs are not a legally binding document though, just guidance for making safe and reliable installations, ie, if you follow the guidance and someone dies from a problem with your installation, you're unlikely to be prosecuted. If you deviate and someone dies however, you're in trouble. If you deviate and can provide a good engineering explanation/risk assessment for how and why your deviation is as safe as the preferred method, and why it's necessary, you'll get it signed off (as long as the Clerk of Works/Installation Tester is knowledgeable enough to understand, not guaranteed...). |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Black Phoenix on December 20, 2022, 04:07:30 am --- --- Quote from: AVGresponding on December 19, 2022, 06:58:19 pm --- I have been chatting in Discord about this with one of our German members, and it seems DEU regs on containment differ considerably from UK ones. I still think it looks terrible to have exposed bends! --- End quote --- I don't see how glaring it is. --- End quote --- .. well, for us 'containment' means containing, not covering some parts of and leaving all the difficult bits open because it's too much bother to get it right. |
| themadhippy:
yea it looks crap,but even in the uk ,that particular installation would comply with the regs as the cables are double insulated, all its doing is offering additional mechanical protection. --- Quote ---And for the last week or so a hot air gun.. --- End quote --- :-DD ya big girls blouse,rubbing yer hand up and down the pipe a few times gets it warm enough. |
| AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 20, 2022, 04:27:50 pm ---yea it looks crap,but even in the uk ,that particular installation would comply with the regs as the cables are double insulated, all its doing is offering additional mechanical protection. --- Quote ---And for the last week or so a hot air gun.. --- End quote --- :-DD ya big girls blouse,rubbing yer hand up and down the pipe a few times gets it warm enough. --- End quote --- Yes, it's not outside the regs, it just looks shit. It would look better just tower clipped. Having to wank the tube is extremely tedious, especially if you have many bends to do. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 20, 2022, 04:27:50 pm ---yea it looks crap,but even in the uk ,that particular installation would comply with the regs as the cables are double insulated, all its doing is offering additional mechanical protection. --- End quote --- I don't know, I'm not convinced that qualifies as good workmanship! I was also under the impression PVC conduit (and trunking) was not classed as mechanical protection, although let's be honest, we all consider it better than bare cables to be bumped and scraped. Metal conduit just isn't needed in most cases. |
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