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| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 03, 2020, 01:04:03 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2020, 11:33:24 am ---The good thing about this whole affair is the awareness level of hygiene has reached hyper levels in practically all the population. This should help reduce the transmission of all sorts of stuff in the coming years. --- End quote --- No. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger; IOW: if you stay in a sterile environment your immune system doesn't get any training. Most vaccines work by training your immune system to a weaker variant of a virus so it is ready for when the real deal hits. --- End quote --- Unless you are one of the hundreds of thousands of people who die every year from the flu alone. 1M+ in a bad year. I guess is just sucks to be one of them. Or the countless others that die or get seriously ill from a myriad of difference viruses and diseases caused by poor community and personal hygiene. Arguing against improvements in societal and personal hygiene is one of the most asinine arguments I've ever heard. |
| DrG:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on May 03, 2020, 01:03:09 pm ---I just saw this today and it is the first time I see comorbidity numbers, reducing the number of deaths by ~40%. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR1xKt19EwyxwqGeRRMiaXCXdyyIBJ1FmLS6-m24EJapcW_JUrI8AtwwraQ Given the text mentions the number of deaths may increase due to delays in reporting (it says one to eight weeks), how is the current 60k death toll really being counted? This whole thing is terribly confusing and, with such data deviations, there is no right answer if one option is better than the other due to the criticality/lethality of this disease. --- End quote --- Admittedly, my position right now is "US-centric", because that is where I am at. I agree with you on the complexity of the problem, but I resist the "no one right answer" idea - but let me say why because I am not so much saying you are wrong as explaining what I have come to believe. At one end of the continuum are folks who scream "open it up" and let "herd immunity" run the natural course. This is unacceptable to me. It would, likely (based on what we already know) result in near term deaths in the millions. Additionally, it would unquestionably strain medical resources beyond the breaking point (we already know that has happened in select areas). It is distinctly similar to the political view that is linked to providing medical care to only those who can afford to pay. It is simply not the mark of a civilized society and that is something we should strive to achieve. At the other end, is the assumption that folks not in the first camp must believe that we want everything locked down until a vaccine is developed and deployed (at minimum a year away and with issues at that), resulting in the complete and continued destruction of the economy. It is a false assumption. That we still do not have sufficient testing (nowhere near sufficient testing), is abominable and inexcusable to me. I complained about this months ago in the thread that was closed, and I feel more strongly now then I did then. As we s l o w l y start experiencing the boundaries of "opening up", the need for maybe 100 times (a number I am guessing at because all I really know is that we don not have enough) the testing capability we currently have is going to be necessary. Easy and cheap testing for infection and immunity. Comprehensive and localized contact tracing that does not further erode our exploited privacy. Those are the immediate challenges that I see that should be a national referendum, not the usual "us vs. them" divisiveness that we have seen so much of over the last several years. In my view, we blew it and blew it big time from the start. When I look at the new case distributions for S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and other places, for example, I think - wow, why couldn't the US be like that. Sure, they are smaller (much smaller in some cases) with different population density distributions and so on. Still, when more successful strategies are around you, why can't we learn? In my state, we have had a very large increase in new cases in the last week. Instead of going down, the rate of change has gone up... and this is May! Did we "open up" irresponsibly? No, we bought and began using a large number of tests - bought from another country!. Even in hard hit states like Washington, you can see "light at the end of the tunnel" and it is accompanied by a good deal of testing. In the face of all that collective evidence, we continue the "us against them" politics and that HAS to change. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2020, 01:29:45 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on May 03, 2020, 01:04:03 pm --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on May 03, 2020, 11:33:24 am ---The good thing about this whole affair is the awareness level of hygiene has reached hyper levels in practically all the population. This should help reduce the transmission of all sorts of stuff in the coming years. --- End quote --- No. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger; IOW: if you stay in a sterile environment your immune system doesn't get any training. Most vaccines work by training your immune system to a weaker variant of a virus so it is ready for when the real deal hits. --- End quote --- Unless you are one of the hundreds of thousands of people who die every year from the flu alone. 1M+ in a bad year. I guess is just sucks to be one of them. Or the countless others that die or get seriously ill from a myriad of difference viruses and diseases caused by poor community and personal hygiene. Arguing against improvements in societal and personal hygiene is one of the most asinine arguments I've ever heard. --- End quote --- You are not getting the point. Getting infected by a Corona virus (any type) during your life is inevitable so your body better be prepared (hence vaccinations). Sure a lot of people die from the flu but these aren't healthy people and it is highly questionable whether these people would have lived much longer if they didn't got the flu. So in the end better hygiene doesn't help you against Corona virusses. Not saying personal hygiene is bad but overdoing it is also not good either. There are a lot of useful bacteria on and in your body and a healthy portion of virusses keeps your immune system alert. |
| cdev:
Did people see the post I made a few days ago about the custom made graphene FET COVID-19 biosensor? It looks very promising. Its extremely simple, but also quite sensitive and selective, and it gives instant results. Not 3 hours, not 3 days, it gives results in real time. That really could be helpful. |
| cdev:
This is the effect of resveratrol on the viral lifecycle of a bunch of different viruses. (inhibits replication, typically) We know it inhibits MERS and likely also SARS, why dont we - now 5 months in, know what it does with COVID-19? Also, resveratrol is extremely useful against sepsis and many respiratory diseases as well, also the worst lung problems in COVID-19 are caused by things resveratrol has a good chance of addressing, seems to me, based on what I know about how it behaves in other conditions. It may be able to be both antiviral and immunomodulator. Probably not but suppose it was? But I am not a doctor or a pharmacologist, or immunologist. So, anxiously waiting to hear some kind of research results. |
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