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Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus
nctnico:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 12:40:34 am ---I understand your point about over hygiene, but now you are digging your hole deeper by saying "oh well, those people weren't going to live long anyway"
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That is a cultural thing. Recently I read an interview with a Dutch doctor who works in a hospital in New York (US). He noticed that (mostly) relatives are hell bound on trying anything to prolong the life of a person even if from a medical standpoint it is totally useless. That didn't sit well with him; at some point it is just inhumane to let people suffer. In the Netherlands a lot of older people (my own elderly relatives included) have 'do not resuscitate' / 'do not ventilate' statements. They rather die in dignity (in their own home) than suffering in a hospital and then dying with a lot of tubes sticking out of them OR survive but being stuck in a bed, wheelchair, etc. In the Netherlands it is becoming more and more common that elderly people die on their own terms instead of sticking around to just please their family members. The how and when is heavily debated by politicians. Probably some people will now chime in and say 'Oh, they are killing the elderly in the NL' but that isn't the case but I understand it may be a difficult concept to wrap your head around. The Netherlands is quite progressive compared to the rest of the world. I've had some dealings with people in my surrounding who choose not to be treated because treatment would in the end cause more suffering. But it doesn't mean I'm liking the idea; for a healthy person it is counter intuitive.
Specific to the Covid-19 pandemic and ending up in an ICU: The thing people overlook is that you don't walk out of the ICU after being ventilated for a longer period of time. Your body will have a lot of damage and quality of life will be less for a long time and probably for the rest of your life. I don't have the exact numbers but our PM noted that there are significantly less old people in the ICUs in the Netherlands compared to other countries due to Covid-19. This is not due to a shortage of ICU beds but due to old people not wanting to be ventilated.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2020, 10:39:34 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 12:40:34 am ---I understand your point about over hygiene, but now you are digging your hole deeper by saying "oh well, those people weren't going to live long anyway"
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That is a cultural thing. *snip*....
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aaaaand deeper. All because you are trying to defend the ridiculous position that improved hygiene because of this whole crisis thing is not good thing.
Give up.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 10:48:46 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2020, 10:39:34 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 12:40:34 am ---I understand your point about over hygiene, but now you are digging your hole deeper by saying "oh well, those people weren't going to live long anyway"
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That is a cultural thing. *snip*....
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aaaaand deeper. All because you are trying to defend the ridiculous position that improved hygiene because of this whole crisis thing is not good thing.
Give up.
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Now you move the goalposts again after stating you agree with overdoing hygiene. But I'll play along: Try to explain how improved hygiene will help. Put some numbers on it.
The fact is that improved hygiene only takes you so far and we are way past the point where extra hygiene brings us some extra. You're trying to get more from an empty box. I'd say people in general are doing just fine in the so called 2nd world countries where I'd say hygiene is less well established; they aren't dying by the millions as your assumption seems to suggest. Or are you implying we should keep the lock down measures in place forever? In the end that would lead to self extinction... boy meets girl is not going to happen if everyone stays locked up.
We (humans) already need the aid of medicines like anti-biotics and anti viral vaccines to keep the population healthy. Vaccination grades need to be at 90% or more to stop measles and smallpox (both very contagious viral infections) effectively.
GlennSprigg:
(Back generally, to the topic!)... :-+
Generally today, in this computer oriented world, there must be/are SO many facets
of 'work', that CAN now be done from home, as opposed to the 'olden' days!
Of course this does not include the vast majority of people like production-line workers
or a StorePerson etc. etc. Although obvious private sector people like Architects or
graphic designers or countless Media personnel can work 99% from home...
As a (slight!) variation to all that, I'm annoyed at some Govt/State feelings about KIDS
being home from School!! :o Do they think that a MERE 3, 5, 10 weeks away from the
'school' is going to leave them as destitute uneducated yobbos of our future ?? :(
They DON'T teach them like in the old ways/times like daring to learn the likes of Times-
Tables, and basic formulas in say maths/science/physics, as they relate everything with
computers now. Virtually all students here, now, must have/use Laptops & Tablets, and
are set up to have access from home too, for use with 'HomeWork' (haha..) too. Obviously
though, 'parents' must ensure their up-and-comming 'rug-rats' stay on track in their fields.
Then there is the OTHER side of 'isolation' of kids. (Covid-19). They SAY that such young
people are not affected dramatically, in the same way. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean,
(though they can't tell us expertly yet), that they may be CARRIERS that can/may spread
it to those more vulnerable!!?? At this date/time, it's better to be safe than sorry!......
nctnico:
--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on May 04, 2020, 11:13:37 am ---Then there is the OTHER side of 'isolation' of kids. (Covid-19). They SAY that such young
people are not affected dramatically, in the same way. HOWEVER, that does NOT mean,
(though they can't tell us expertly yet), that they may be CARRIERS that can/may spread
it to those more vulnerable!!?? At this date/time, it's better to be safe than sorry!......
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The data from China and many other countries suggest that children are not (significantly) spreading Covid-19. Usually they get it from the parents and not the other way around.
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