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Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2020, 11:07:32 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 10:48:46 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2020, 10:39:34 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 12:40:34 am ---I understand your point about over hygiene, but now you are digging your hole deeper by saying "oh well, those people weren't going to live long anyway"
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That is a cultural thing. *snip*....
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aaaaand deeper. All because you are trying to defend the ridiculous position that improved hygiene because of this whole crisis thing is not good thing.
Give up.
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Now you move the goalposts again after stating you agree with overdoing hygiene. But I'll play along: Try to explain how improved hygiene will help. Put some numbers on it.
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Wow, how dumb is this. Ok, Let's a say million people die of the flu every year, not to mention the untold numbers who catch it and have to stay off work or whatever. Huge impact on society, and that's just he seasons flu. To think that improved personal and societal hygiene standards and habits isn't going to help with this and other things is just completely asinine. It's beyond dumb to think that.
--- Quote ---The fact is that improved hygiene only takes you so far and we are way past the point where extra hygiene brings us some extra.
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Now YOU get to back that up with numbers. Go ahead and try and prove that better hygiene in society is not going to help things. Go on, please big your hole even further.
I'm not taking your other bait and will not debate this further with you, but respond if you want.
SiliconWizard:
Alright - this is getting silly indeed.
Whereas excessive hygiene (but we are talking really EXCESSIVE here) may weaken our immune systems in the long run, from what I had read, this is really true for babies - first couple years of life basically. I'm not sure there is any proof that once our immune system is mature, excessive hygiene may weaken it. You'd really have to live inside a bubble to be exposed to so few pathogens that your immune system would eventually get into some kind of sleep mode anyway.
Now some pathogens like seasonal flu viruses are particularly "annoying"... our immune systems can never really get immune to them, they mutate constantly. So for them, more hygiene certainly helps. Even just washing your hands regularly during the day does help a lot.
We're not talking about putting people in isolated bubbles either. At least, I hope not! ::)
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: MosherIV on May 04, 2020, 11:31:46 am ---Some of you may know that I am a volunteer at The National Museum of Computing.
The lock down is having servere financial impacts to charites and museums.
The National Museum of Computing is a Not for profit organisation and set up as a charity.
The income from ticket sales has dried up but the bills for rent still have to be paid.
So please can I ask EEVBlog forum member to dig deep and help support the National Museum of Computing :
https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/fuelling-the-future-powering-the-past?tk=b26125afe72adc6ed9d367aa05e86964ed1b9641
I know that some of you have already visited, For those that have not, I look foward to seeing you after the lock down is lifted.
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Wow, yeah, that sucks, would be countless places like that that would be impacted. It will be impossible to know the final numbers of failed businesses and other things from all this mandatory lock down stuff.
And it will likely be impossible to know to exactly how effective were the lock downs, as there is basically no direct control group to compare with.
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 03:04:29 pm ---It will be impossible to know the final numbers of failed businesses and other things from all this mandatory lock down stuff.
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True, but it will be possible to compare the number of failed businesses from the start of the crisis up to the next couple of years, and compare this to the numbers in the last 10 years for instance. That will be no proof, but should give us an idea.
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 03:04:29 pm ---And it will likely be impossible to know to exactly how effective were the lock downs, as there is basically no direct control group to compare with.
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Indeed. Lock downs have not been exactly the same from country to country, but their respective population, geography, climate, etc are also different. So there is no valid control group to speak of.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 04, 2020, 03:03:18 pm ---Alright - this is getting silly indeed.
Whereas excessive hygiene (but we are talking really EXCESSIVE here) may weaken our immune systems in the long run, from what I had read, this is really true for babies - first couple years of life basically. I'm not sure there is any proof that once our immune system is mature, excessive hygiene may weaken it. You'd really have to live inside a bubble to be exposed to so few pathogens that your immune system would eventually get into some kind of sleep mode anyway.
Now some pathogens like seasonal flu viruses are particularly "annoying"... our immune systems can never really get immune to them, they mutate constantly. So for them, more hygiene certainly helps. Even just washing your hands regularly during the day does help a lot.
We're not talking about putting people in isolated bubbles either. At least, I hope not! ::)
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Nailed it.
These are demonstrable facts.
And yep, I'm all for kids eating dirt.
Mrs EEVblog and I have always been quite vigilant with the kids in terms of basic hygiene, we've always carried a disinfectant spray bottle before it became trendy for example. But they are still massive petri dishes, it's just unavoidable. Good hygiene helps a lot though. To think we were already at "peak hygiene" is so :-DD
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