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GreyWoolfe:

--- Quote from: nctnico on May 04, 2020, 10:39:34 am --- In the Netherlands a lot of older people (my own elderly relatives included) have 'do not resuscitate' / 'do not ventilate' statements. They rather die in dignity (in their own home) than suffering in a hospital and then dying with a lot of tubes sticking out of them OR survive but being stuck in a bed, wheelchair, etc. In the Netherlands it is becoming more and more common that elderly people die on their own terms instead of sticking around to just please their family members.

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Same here, Mrs GreyWoolfe and I have DNR statements filed with our primary care physician.  This way, if either of us in incapacitated, our wishes will be followed.  Neither of us want to be a burden on the other and family.

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 04, 2020, 03:10:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 03:04:29 pm ---It will be impossible to know the final numbers of failed businesses and other things from all this mandatory lock down stuff.
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True, but it will be possible to compare the number of failed businesses from the start of the crisis up to the next couple of years, and compare this to the numbers in the last 10 years for instance. That will be no proof, but should give us an idea.
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I'm sure he jump on the graph will be order of magnitude level stuff.


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--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 03:04:29 pm ---And it will likely be impossible to know to exactly how effective were the lock downs, as there is basically no direct control group to compare with.

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Indeed. Lock downs have not been exactly the same from country to country, but their respective population, geography, climate, etc are also different. So there is no valid control group to speak of.
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That won't stop governments and other actors claiming this though, beware of dodgy long term fake analyses to try and prove their decisions were the rights ones.
But the politicians aren't dumb, they know it's no-lose for them to do whatever lock downs measures they like. When the numbers do drop, they can claim that's the reason and you'll have little if any data to prove otherwise. If numbers don't drop for some reason, they can just claim the sheeple didn't follow the rules enough. Clever.

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 03:17:54 pm ---But the politicians aren't dumb, they know it's no-lose for them to do whatever lock downs measures they like. When the numbers do drop, they can claim that's the reason and you'll have little if any data to prove otherwise. If numbers don't drop for some reason, they can just claim the sheeple didn't follow the rules enough. Clever.

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People in power are always right. Until they get their heads chopped off.

Likewise, in countries where lock downs have been less stringent, and economy has been less impacted, politicians will brag they were right about it too.

Unfortunately, predicting how an epidemic will evolve is a very complex matter. Models are always simplified. It's probably not as complex, but similar to predicting climate changes. So in the same vein, politicians manage to be always right, whereas in reality we are probably ALL wrong.

paulca:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448690/
"Too clean, or not too clean: the Hygiene Hypothesis and home hygiene"


It's been researched for quite a while.  Certainly in the disguise of children's allergy increase.

coppice:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 04, 2020, 03:17:54 pm ---But the politicians aren't dumb, they know it's no-lose for them to do whatever lock downs measures they like. When the numbers do drop, they can claim that's the reason and you'll have little if any data to prove otherwise. If numbers don't drop for some reason, they can just claim the sheeple didn't follow the rules enough. Clever.

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If they screw up the economy so badly people start losing their homes and going hungry they might find they can lose, whatever happens to the death rate from COVID-19.

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