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bd139:
Doesn't surprise me. Medical care is absolutely shitty even here in UK. And honestly the "clap for the carers" shit is doing my head in after various near misses over the years.

They actually sent my father-in-law home twice with pneumonia. His youngest daughter drove him to the hospital the third time after his kidneys gave out and he died in hospital covid positive. SPO2 was down at 55% when they admitted him 3rd time. I imagine a shit load of people didn't get a second or third go at hospital care either because either they couldn't or didn't feel like they'd be treated seriously.  :-- :-- :--

I reckon they're going to be finding more isolated dead people still in a couple of years after this has passed.

Edit: just to allay any fears he was diabetic, in his 70s, had major heart problems, smoked like a chimney and had run out of lives several times over already.
Someone:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 08, 2020, 04:36:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 07, 2020, 11:32:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on May 07, 2020, 08:30:56 pm ---That's the inherent problem with restrictions. When they work, it creates the impression that they were not needed. People don't think about the fact that it's because of the restrictions that there is not a high infection rate.
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Sure, but how much? How much is due to the lockdown, and how much was simple hygiene, awareness, and staying home when you are sick?
It would be be incredibly foolish (indeed, demonstrably wrong) to say there is no contribution from the later things.
It's easy and logical to assume that the lock down is the thing that did all the wonders, but where is the direct A/B comparison data to actually prove it? (and no, don't compare different countries)

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No one knows. It might also be due to less pollution, making people less susceptible to the disease.

Yes public awareness will help to prevent a second wave, even when governments ease restrictions, but my fear is people will become complacent. I don't know about Australia, but I think it will be awhile before we can safely reopen more risky areas of the economy such as hairdressers, nightclubs, pubs and restaurants.
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In Melbourne the "shutdown" restrictions haven't been eased but measures of mobility (vehicle,bicycle,pedestrian counters, map service requests etc) have been slowly trending upward. There is noticeable complacency on the basic measures, and anecdotal examples such as people standing in groups at the shops to have a social chat.

How much impact would a request to improve hygiene have been without the simultaneous shutdowns/restrictions. Just asking people to wash their hands and be more careful would likely be a small impact, and have low uptake/compliance.

Trying to simplify the solution as improved hygiene is nonsense, the only strategies seriously considered include isolation/quarantine of suspected and known cases, and then consider social distancing and other measures on top of that.
"Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID19 mortality and healthcare demand"
https://dsprdpub.cc.ic.ac.uk:8443/handle/10044/1/77482
"Impact of COVID-19 in Australia – ensuring the health system can respond"
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/impact-of-covid-19-in-australia-ensuring-the-health-system-can-respond
paulca:
The NHS(x) source code is out and there is of course controversy.
https://github.com/nhsx/COVID-19-app-Android-BETA/issues/16

Due to how BLE works on Android the phone asks for location permissions for the app.  Granting this permission allows location tracking by BLE using beacons with predetermined locations, but also allows GPS access, although the app does not directly access the GPS.  If I am reading things correctly.  However it does have remote pathways or JS injection that can reveal your precise device location.

I also note they do not publish the code for the central contact matching server.
bd139:
BTW the NHSX source code is likely not what appears in the app exactly. They suggest it’s pushed to their own internal branch first. On top of that the guy who runs NHSX is a former Israel diplomat with links to military intelligence companies (NICE Ltd). Nope from me.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: rodpp on May 08, 2020, 06:03:52 pm ---Although poor, I want to believe that data is above the noise floor.

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It's more likely the figures just reflect what your government want you to believe.

--- Quote from: rodpp on May 08, 2020, 07:15:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on May 08, 2020, 06:21:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 08, 2020, 05:30:41 pm ---We had an issue in the UK with COVID-19 mortality data, which previously only included deaths in hospitals, not in care homes and the community. What gave the game away was that the total number of deaths was higher, than average for the same point in the year. If your government doesn't properly record deaths, then there may be other sources of more reliable information such as the records of local undertakers.

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That is true. In the Netherlands there are also more people dying compared to long term averages. This data is collected by the government statistics bureau.

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In the Brazilian state Manaus, hit hard by Covid19, the number of deaths in the last days was 108% above the average of the last 4 years in the same period. Of that 108%, 19% was reported as Covid19 and 89% not. Almost certainly we have underreported heavy, like for each 5 Covid19 deaths only 1 was reported.

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Those figures are more likely.

--- Quote from: cdev on May 08, 2020, 08:55:52 pm ---This is happening all around the US, endless heartbreaking stories where it emerges people who attempted to get medical care were sent home and them dying at home shortly afterward.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/us/coronavirus-florida-medical-examiner-records.html

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That's also true, but there will be fewer deaths on the road, so it's not that simple.
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