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Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus
nctnico:
--- Quote from: SerieZ on May 25, 2020, 08:36:12 am ---That said and looking at US Media what I do find appalling is the absolute lack of empathy now towards young and middle aged people who just had their existences destroyed or future massively hampered. Sure we have to protect the elderly and find solutions, but the portrayal of those wanting to go back to work as dumb rednecks to be put on pillory as I've observed Media/Social Media leaves me without words.
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It depends on how people protest. If they keep a safe distance it is OK but being close and touching eachother on purpose -> enter trumb redneck territory.
And when it comes to existences being destroyed: that is the system without social security they voted for in the US. And yet; if you are able and sound of mind you can always find something or somewhere else to make money. A pandemic offers lots of new businiess opportunities which need workforce.
james_s:
--- Quote from: thinkfat on May 25, 2020, 05:33:52 pm ---It was a Baptist church, not far from here. They claim to have held safe distance, but didn't wear face masks and were singing a lot. Meanwhile over 100 people were tested positive.
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I have a hard time understanding the church thing. I won't claim to be any sort of expert on theological matters but I thought most of the mainstream gods people believe in are supposed to be omnipotent and ever-present. That being the case, I don't really grasp the dire importance of having everyone return to a specific building as soon as possible. Surely people can worship at home and sermons or whatever can be broadcast via various internet mediums? Allowing dozens or hundreds of people to gather in the same building seems like an exceptionally high risk activity with very little benefit. Sure there is the social/community aspect but how is that fundamentally different than gathering at a pub? :-//
maginnovision:
For the religious their core values include religion. They need it just like their family. My grandparents were Catholics until the day they died and they went to church at least once a day. A priest was with my grandmother for months until she died. You don't have to understand it, just understand they NEED it. They don't see it as optional. I'm surprised they stayed closed as long as they did.
The shutdowns were never about keeping people from getting sick. It was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. Right now, in the US, job done. After that you start opening up with enough restrictions to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. People get annoyed when they're not seeing the apocalypse they've been told about. They get annoyed when they see places opening that also aren't all of a sudden having thousands dead in the street. If you don't get it, that's ok, but surely you can understand they don't see the threat.
thinkfat:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 25, 2020, 07:37:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on May 25, 2020, 05:33:52 pm ---It was a Baptist church, not far from here. They claim to have held safe distance, but didn't wear face masks and were singing a lot. Meanwhile over 100 people were tested positive.
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I have a hard time understanding the church thing. I won't claim to be any sort of expert on theological matters but I thought most of the mainstream gods people believe in are supposed to be omnipotent and ever-present. That being the case, I don't really grasp the dire importance of having everyone return to a specific building as soon as possible. Surely people can worship at home and sermons or whatever can be broadcast via various internet mediums? Allowing dozens or hundreds of people to gather in the same building seems like an exceptionally high risk activity with very little benefit. Sure there is the social/community aspect but how is that fundamentally different than gathering at a pub? :-//
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The act of coming together in communion is deeply ingrained in all religion. It's an act of reassurance, beneficial for the community on a social level. It is comforting for people especially in a crisis, to be with other people who share the same value system. Unfortunately, many don't realize that the threat is quite real and that our understanding of dangerous behavior is limited. It appears now that being in the same room and singing loudly transmits the virus quite efficiently, even if you keep a 1.5m distance and wash your hands. Astonishing is the rate of spread, though. The transmission chains are not completely understood yet (this will be excellent study material), but it appears that a single spreader sparked this whole cluster.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: GlennSprigg on May 25, 2020, 10:51:56 am ---Unless I'm 'Dumb'.... (There's a fish-line & hook for some people! hahaha!!)...
UNTIL there is a 'Vaccine', how can we relax rules, and start going "back to normal" ??
OK, we are reducing the possibilities of transmission, due to the actions we(most!) are taking, but beyond that,
what am I missing about 'relaxations' eventually leading to a major 2nd wave, or 3rd!! due to complacency! ??
As an example, just the other day, some, (don't know who, or in what area) Church in Germany decided to re-
open their doors to the masses, and now 40 of them are infected!! What is it they don't understand???
The often quoted, "for the duration", must/should mean "when there's a vaccine"
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The idea is to use contact tracing, which is nothing new and has been used to control infections diseases in the past such as polio and HIV. If someone develops symptoms of COVID-19, the first thing they need to do is self-isolate, until they're tested. If the test comes back positive, everyone they've had contact with needs to be traced, contacted and tested and those who test positive need to do the same. Done well, this should break the chain of transmission by only isolating those who are, or stand a high chance, of being infected, rather than everyone.
Unfortunately contact tracing requires large numbers of trained professionals to access the level of risk of the contact, thus who's worth contacting and testing. There was no way it could have been implemented in places such as the UK a couple of months ago, when the number of cases vastly exceeded test and trace capacity. Some people are also concerned about privacy, not just from tools such as the contact tracing app, but having what can be only described as detectives tracking them. Fortunately it will work, as long as most cooperate. Hopefully governments have being building test capacity and training contact tracers during lockdown, so it can be eased without a second wave.
I have mixed feelings about the UK. I'm confident the NHS will be able to deal with a second wave, but I'm not convinced enough has been invested in contact tracing and testing. I think we'll need some social distancing measures in place for some time yet.
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