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| maginnovision:
Wait we SHOULDN'T put covid patients into retirement facilities? Geez... We did mess this up. |
| floobydust:
It's the staff that quickly spread it around- they work shifts at multiple care facilities. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on June 28, 2020, 11:53:28 pm --- --- Quote from: DrG on June 28, 2020, 08:39:38 pm ---First is that we have a much better grip on how to lock down nursing homes/LTC facilities. Around the time that the US hit 100K a study showed that 40K deaths were associated with those facilities --- End quote --- As sad as that is, if you are talking correct numbers then you should probably subtract the numbers of elderly that would have died from flu like viruses annually anyway. --- End quote --- And add the numbers they left out (if any). People doing those studies aren't stupid. World wide you can see spikes in death rates which are far higher compared to the regular death rates. For example; this is the graph with death rates in the NL from the Dutch government statistics bureau: For clarity they plotted the expected death rate in their as well. And if you add the excess deaths up then you'll see that you reach a much higher number than the official number of Covid-19 deaths! |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on June 28, 2020, 11:53:28 pm --- --- Quote from: DrG on June 28, 2020, 08:39:38 pm ---First is that we have a much better grip on how to lock down nursing homes/LTC facilities. Around the time that the US hit 100K a study showed that 40K deaths were associated with those facilities --- End quote --- As sad as that is, if you are talking correct numbers then you should probably subtract the numbers of elderly that would have died from flu like viruses annually anyway. In effect just lumping covid in as another one of the infectious respiratory illnesses which is what it technically is. In my mum's small retirement village alone there are half a dozen deaths a year due to the flu, they "drop like flies every flu season" to use my mum's words. Yes, I've been saying from the start that this whole thing is arse-backwards in terms of who's being protected. There should be police and a testing station and a system in place at the entry to every retirement village. --- End quote --- The way the information has been presented is somewhat unclear, but what I have seen suggests UK nursing home death rates this spring have been about 1/3 higher than last year, which was considered a fairly typical year. People look at the high death rate attributed to COVID-19 and think its awful. They miss just how many people are elderly and in care homes in western countries. There is a strong continuous flow of people coming into those homes, when its finally clear they can no longer cope on their own, and heading out to the mortuary. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: floobydust on June 29, 2020, 12:00:00 am ---It's the staff that quickly spread it around- they work shifts at multiple care facilities. --- End quote --- That's why I said they should have put effort into putting protection systems in place for the vulnerable. Just in Australia this thing was costing us around $4BN a week, that buys you a lot of protection measures. At the very least I would have liked to have seen a cop stationed at the entry to every retirement village restricting access, but it never happened, at least not here. One plus side of all of this is that people are more vigilant now, so that should help reduce spread of covid and all the other viruses. I would expect a reduction of flu related deaths this season because of this (we are in flu season here now). |
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