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DrG:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 03, 2020, 12:46:24 am ---It's literally legal here to have aids and not tell someone before you have unprotected sex. To me that's a criminal act but the US at large apparently disagrees. /--/

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Although laws vary by states, what you say there is not true. You can be held criminally libel for transmitting HIV in all sorts of ways, including various acts and not telling the other person of your status. That is how I read the laws here https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/states/exposure.html

Did you mean to say it that way?
PlainName:

--- Quote ---Again we're expecting everyone to catch it so protect those at risk and leave everyone else to their own devices.
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Everyone's at risk, it's just a matter of what level of risk the line is drawn at. Since covid19 risk is rather higher than a vaccine risk, you'd expect a third of the US to be hiding under the bedclothes.


--- Quote ---Again, I'm high risk so I stay home.
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Well, that's easy for you. Typically, higher risk people are those that are forced to be exposed through poverty and such like.
maginnovision:
Clearly not everyone is at risk or there would be no asymptomatic cases, right? I wouldn't expect people who live here to be hiding, I'd expect them to take the precautions they consider necessary because what they do is on them. Yea, it's easy for me to not go to parties, protests, and restaurants because... Why? I'm not rich, I have no income right now as a matter of fact so I don't think poverty has anything to do with it. You're not prevented from taking the precautions you'd like because you're poor since there is very little you can do that costs a bunch of money.

(HIV)Yea, in some states you can. In my home state it was a felony... Right up until they made it a misdemeanor about two years ago. UP TO 6 months for it. So you give someone a death penalty(and certainly a new way of life) and all you potentially suffer is 6 months? It's not even an HIV/AIDS law, it's just spreading communicable diseases. Yea, seems about right. The other issues is the lack of disclosure laws. Without requiring people to disclose people can't even make informed decisions.

For me I'd rather people make their own informed choices. The informed part is difficult with all the flip-flopping and lying but using best available data you do what seems right. Business doesn't require masks? Don't go there if that makes you uncomfortable. Every hospital I've been to requires a mask since this started. Don't go to parties if it makes you uncomfortable, don't go to a restaurant if it worries you. If your employer doesn't require masks ask for time off, find a new job if you're able, or just take precautions you can.

You can't even buy masks right now because of the institutional hoarding but if they hadn't panicked everyone it likely wouldn't have happened and they'd be available for everyone. The suppliers only ran out because everyone was expecting new york numbers(alternatively italy number) everywhere. They can still use the masks but with lots of hospitals not seeing "normal" numbers of patients they would have been better off not purchasing so many to begin with.
james_s:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 03, 2020, 01:24:44 am ---For me I'd rather people make their own informed choices. The informed part is difficult with all the flip-flopping and lying but using best available data you do what seems right. Business doesn't require masks? Don't go there if that makes you uncomfortable. Every hospital I've been to requires a mask since this started. Don't go to parties if it makes you uncomfortable, don't go to a restaurant if it worries you. If your employer doesn't require masks ask for time off, find a new job if you're able, or just take precautions you can.

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That sounds great in theory except it doesn't work. Ok so I choose not to go to a business that doesn't require masks, but some other person does choose to go there and then they infect me and 5 other people, and then I infect 5 other people before I know I'm sick, and each of those 5 people infect other people, pretty soon everyone is sick. People have demonstrated time after time after time that they don't make informed decisions, either out of ignorance or they willfully don't care about anyone but themselves. If people DID behave sensibly we wouldn't need all these requirements, the requirements came after people already were not taking precautions. It's not a matter of protecting everyone from themselves, it's protecting the rest of us from people who don't protect themselves. We don't all live in isolation, what everyone does affects everyone they come into contact with, this is not a matter of personal choice.
Nusa:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 03, 2020, 01:24:44 am ---You can't even buy masks right now because of the institutional hoarding

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That was true early on, but you're out of date, at least in California (which I believe is your location also). I've seen them on the shelves, or you can order them: https://www.walmart.com/browse/health/face-coverings-masks/976760_3386211
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