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| james_s:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 16, 2020, 03:19:49 pm ---It's odd how everyone thinks everything in other countries is the same, as where they live. . . Many of the shops in the UK are owned by the councils and could easily be converted into residential. The government spends lots of money to house people in private properties, so a lot of money could be saved by converting empty shops, to homes for those who desperately need them. --- End quote --- It's not really that odd, people base their perspective on whatever they're familiar with. One of the problems with the proposal at least where I am is that a substantial portion of the homeless population are drug addicts and/or mentally ill. Just give them a place to live and it will quickly be trashed and become a hot spot for drug use and crime, nobody wants to live next door to that and for valid reasons. Neighboring businesses will soon leave as crime rages and drives away customers and you get a cascading effect. Many of the people who desperately need a place to live also desperately need help with their illness/addiction. |
| themadhippy:
--- Quote ---And if you leave your property for too long, the government can come and get it and sell it to someone else --- End quote --- but its fine to leave your holiday home empty for months whilst the locals are priced out of the market |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on July 16, 2020, 03:19:49 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on July 16, 2020, 12:02:31 pm --- --- Quote from: AndyC_772 on July 16, 2020, 11:55:43 am ---Here in the UK retail has been struggling for years now; both commercial rent and business rates (property tax) are still set at levels which reflect how profitable retail space used to be. They've not been reduced in proportion to the actual profit that a given retail site can now be expected to generate. Unfortunately that means there are a lot of retail spaces becoming (and, crucially, remaining) vacant. The law of supply and demand might mean that commercial rent will come down in time, but that doesn't really apply to taxes. --- End quote --- In the UK retail has several elements in conflict with each other. A key one is that retail parks around the edge of towns have been sucking customers out of city centre retail locations for decades. Now people tend to just focus on the effects of on-line purchases, but retail has been evolving, with changing winners and losers, since cities began. --- End quote --- Technology has being driving that change. Everyone getting cars was responsible for the migration of retail out of towns and cities and now we have the Internet which is driving bricks and mortor retail out of business. We'll keep food retail, as most people still prefer to physically buy it, but it'll be more from smaller shops, in town, than superstores. --- End quote --- Sure, but what comes next? There's always something coming next, and people never see it coming or what its consequences will be. They just explain post hoc with the attitude that it was always obvious. ;) |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: themadhippy on July 16, 2020, 03:55:23 pm --- --- Quote ---And if you leave your property for too long, the government can come and get it and sell it to someone else --- End quote --- but its fine to leave your holiday home empty for months whilst the locals are priced out of the market --- End quote --- I wonder how much a personal holiday home brings into the local community, versus a holiday home owned by the locals that is rented out? The large number of people passing through the rented out home suggests they have the bigger financial impact. However, the personally owned home brings in property tax from outside, and will see some erratic use throughout the year. I think most of the rented out homes are completely dead for several months a year. Its complex. |
| bd139:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 16, 2020, 04:00:17 pm --- --- Quote from: themadhippy on July 16, 2020, 03:55:23 pm --- --- Quote ---And if you leave your property for too long, the government can come and get it and sell it to someone else --- End quote --- but its fine to leave your holiday home empty for months whilst the locals are priced out of the market --- End quote --- I wonder how much a personal holiday home brings into the local community, versus a holiday home owned by the locals that is rented out? The large number of people passing through the rented out home suggests they have the bigger financial impact. However, the personally owned home brings in property tax from outside, and will see some erratic use throughout the year. I think most of the rented out homes are completely dead for several months a year. Its complex. --- End quote --- This one is interesting as I'm about to buy one. I'm not taking anything from the local economy in the short term. I am bringing tourist income as I intend to rent it out peak season and occasionally crash in it myself when I want to go hiking etc. I am paying council tax for a property which will have low service impact on schools, refuse collection etc. I'm not polluting. I'll end up living in it when I retire. Is that a problem? :-// The locals are priced out of the market only because the ancestors of the locals sold off their entire local industry to make some coin rather than looked at the long term. Now it's fungible service roles which command a low price because anyone can do the work. Do I owe them anything? |
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