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| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 18, 2020, 01:52:21 pm --- --- Quote from: paulca on July 18, 2020, 09:18:24 am --- --- Quote from: bd139 on July 18, 2020, 08:43:39 am ---Our pay is top notch plus we have the best bonus and pension contribution scheme in the entire industry. The issue is we’re not Facebook or Google and the location isn’t central London and it’s not a trendy startup or big brand name so we have to compete with a lot of companies that tick those boxes. --- End quote --- Our company has resorted to "Shortage of skills Visas" and importing entire families from India. Not something I fully support. It artificially increases the labour force during the boom which can lead to problems when the inevitable bust comes. --- End quote --- Shortage of skills visas, and similar things like H1Bs in the US, are a fraud, unless they are used to deal with short term issues. The only thing there is a long term shortage of is rewards big enough to attract capable people into a field and keep them there. --- End quote --- Those kinds of visas are time limited, so almost by definition can only be used to solve short term issues? (depending on the definition of "short term"... I would say 6 years go pretty quick, in the bigger scheme of things?). |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 18, 2020, 02:05:01 pm ---Those kinds of visas are time limited, so almost by definition can only be used to solve short term issues? (depending on the definition of "short term"... I would say 6 years go pretty quick, in the bigger scheme of things?). --- End quote --- In theory they are time limited. In practice you see some strange behaviours. Some years ago in India there was a thing in the news about the number of chopped up Visa and Mastercards found in the waste bins of major international airports. Investigation of the cause found most of these belonged to people who had just left India on an H1B visa. They had got the card, run it up to its credit limit getting stuff for their new life in the US, and just chopped it up as they left. They had no expectation of ever being forced to return to India and face the consequences of committing fraud, because only those who screwed up badly in the US ever had to return to India. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on July 18, 2020, 02:13:01 pm --- --- Quote from: SilverSolder on July 18, 2020, 02:05:01 pm ---Those kinds of visas are time limited, so almost by definition can only be used to solve short term issues? (depending on the definition of "short term"... I would say 6 years go pretty quick, in the bigger scheme of things?). --- End quote --- In theory they are time limited. In practice you see some strange behaviours. Some years ago in India there was a thing in the news about the number of chopped up Visa and Mastercards found in the waste bins of major international airports. Investigation of the cause found most of these belonged to people who had just left India on an H1B visa. They had got the card, run it up to its credit limit getting stuff for their new life in the US, and just chopped it up as they left. They had no expectation of ever being forced to return to India and face the consequences of committing fraud, because only those who screwed up badly in the US ever had to return to India. --- End quote --- Having "enjoyed" an H1B visa myself at one time in the past, I can assure you, it is NOT easy to get an extension - and applying for permanent residence in the USA requires applying from outside the USA! It is not as easy as it looks (and it doesn't look easy!). |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---chopped up Visa and Mastercards found in the waste bins of major international airports --- End quote --- I am finding it hard to believe that isn't a dead granny. If you're going to stop using a card, why neatly cut it up at your point of exit? Surely just binning it anywhere would do, leaving it whole would be fine. You might want to keep it 'just in case' too. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: paulca on July 18, 2020, 09:18:24 am ---Our company has resorted to "Shortage of skills Visas" and importing entire families from India. Not something I fully support. It artificially increases the labour force during the boom which can lead to problems when the inevitable bust comes. --- End quote --- There are a lot of H1B's from India in software so I've worked with a lot of them. Generally speaking they've been very good, a few duds but that's true of people from anywhere. My problem with the H1B system is the way it is often abused. At a former place I worked with had a guy who was here on a H1B, he'd been in the country for years, had a young daughter who was growing up and going to school here, but I was talking to him one day and found out that his visa was tied to his job at that specific company, if he got let go or quit he would have to either find a new sponsor or go back to India. Now the reason this all came up is that we had a hiring freeze in place but somebody noticed an open position in our group advertised our careers page. So we found out that the company had a fraudulent job listing posted for the position that was already filled by my colleague. We weren't trying to hire somebody to replace him, they had the job listing simply to prove that they were "trying" to find a US citizen to fill the role. All the applications that came in went straight to the trash. Personally I think the H1B program should be strictly for either temporary help when needed, or a sort of "try before you buy" path to citizenship. If we bring somebody in and they turn out to be a good fit and we want to keep them then I say give them citizenship so they enjoy the same benefits and protections as everyone else. As it stands they are practically an indentured worker, tying their visa to a specific company sponsor means the company can effectively treat them like crap and hold deportation over their head, it's crap. |
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