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Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus
Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on July 19, 2020, 01:42:26 am ---The Victorian govt in Australia has just announced mask wearing in public is to be compulsory from midnight next Wednesday, else cop a $200 fine. That is great news. Strong authoritarian government is a good thing in the right context. At the other end of the scale we have the USA, which has weak and disunited government with many Americans refusing to wear a mask based upon selfishness and the fantasy of freedom.
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Which mask are they specifying? If it's N95 then it's silly.
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: VK3DRB on July 19, 2020, 01:42:26 am ---The Victorian govt in Australia has just announced mask wearing in public is to be compulsory from midnight next Wednesday, else cop a $200 fine. That is great news. Strong authoritarian government is a good thing in the right context. At the other end of the scale we have the USA, which has weak and disunited government with many Americans refusing to wear a mask based upon selfishness and the fantasy of freedom.
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Where do you live? We've had a mask fine of $300USD, for a first offence, for a while where I live in California(Far and away the most populous state and significantly higher than all of Australia). I went for a walk today and I was the only person without a mask. It's been that way since before the fine was implemented... How many people do you estimate feel there is no freedom with a mask? I feel fairly confident you don't know what's going on here in America.
PlainName:
Here in the UK we get a £100 fine for not wearing a mask in a shop next week (but apparently a takeaway is OK since a cabinet member was photographed not wearing one - simpler to change the law than admit to being a dick). Anyway, so masks are going to be mandatory.
Yesterday I was in a local Aldo and maybe half of the patrons wore a mask. Today I was in a local Lidl a no-one wore a mask (well, two: me and the cashier). Depending on where I shopped I could honestly say the (forthcoming) rules were being completely ignored or mostly adhered to. And those shops were less than a mile apart.
--- Quote ---I feel fairly confident you don't know what's going on here in America
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He might know more than you if he's going from a (reliable) source that sees things country-wide as opposed to you that sees the local view. Certainly, your description doesn't quite mesh with people being murdered for wearing a mask, or the police shooting a man that stabbed someone else because of a difference of view about masks.
james_s:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 19, 2020, 02:51:48 am ---Where do you live? We've had a mask fine of $300USD, for a first offence, for a while where I live in California(Far and away the most populous state and significantly higher than all of Australia). I went for a walk today and I was the only person without a mask. It's been that way since before the fine was implemented... How many people do you estimate feel there is no freedom with a mask? I feel fairly confident you don't know what's going on here in America.
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I don't really understand the freedom angle personally. "Freedom" doesn't mean we can all just do whatever the hell we want everywhere at all times. IMHO "Freedom" means you should be able to do whatever you want in your own home or on your own property so long as it doesn't negatively impact others beyond reason. Ok so now the government is forcing you to wear a mask in public because not wearing one has potentially serious consequences to others, they force you to wear pants in public too for similar reasons and have been for as long as the government has existed. Ironically I suspect the most "freedom loving" highly conservative areas would be some of the quickest to punish a person for walking around town in their birthday suit, and the punishment is probably a lot worse than a fine. I don't want to sit on a bus or restaurant seat with a skid mark on it and I don't want to sit next to someone who is potentially sick and not wearing a mask. When a person is at home they're free to go mask-less (and/or pants-less) if they so desire, it's a "free" country. Except people can still go to jail or even prison for engaging in certain activities in their own home. Can't smoke crack, snort a line of coke or many other drugs, not saying that should be allowed but the point is you don't have the freedom to do that in your own home even if you hypothetically do it responsibly. Some states even still have laws that regulate who you sleep with or what activities you engage in within your own bed, freedom, I guess.
So masks? Whatever, I can see the reasoning behind requiring them, people are required to wear a mask for the same reason they're required to stop at stop signs and aren't allowed to shoot guns up into the air in populated areas. The government is just performing their primary duty of protecting the citizens. If wearing a mask was only to protect the wearer then I'd feel differently, we don't need laws to protect everyone from themselves, we need laws to protect everyone from all the people who otherwise can't be bothered to care about anyone else.
Ed.Kloonk:
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