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| maginnovision:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on July 19, 2020, 03:13:40 am ---Here in the UK we get a £100 fine for not wearing a mask in a shop next week (but apparently a takeaway is OK since a cabinet member was photographed not wearing one - simpler to change the law than admit to being a dick). Anyway, so masks are going to be mandatory. Yesterday I was in a local Aldo and maybe half of the patrons wore a mask. Today I was in a local Lidl a no-one wore a mask (well, two: me and the cashier). Depending on where I shopped I could honestly say the (forthcoming) rules were being completely ignored or mostly adhered to. And those shops were less than a mile apart. --- Quote ---I feel fairly confident you don't know what's going on here in America --- End quote --- He might know more than you if he's going from a (reliable) source that sees things country-wide as opposed to you that sees the local view. Certainly, your description doesn't quite mesh with people being murdered for wearing a mask, or the police shooting a man that stabbed someone else because of a difference of view about masks. --- End quote --- Except what I myself see isn't all there is and I know that. Where as I suspect HAM(sorry on a phone) has very few sources. You also can't look at a couple of stories about crazy people and extrapolate that to mean any significant portion of the country is looking to stab each other over silly things. I have read very little about people going berserk over masks. If it were a real thing it would be common but even in our(US) biased media there aren't many examples. I also agree freedom doesn't mean do whatever you like and I'm pretty sure most people get that. Even the people I know who don't want to wear a mask carry one with them if they need it. To really get a good idea you need to scour local media though, not national. National is 100% about ratings and local generally report on many many more individual stories. Of course doing that for say every large city and their smaller papers is not feasible for a normal person. However if I see that as many people are absolute non mask as there are BLM people I'd start to consider it could even be as high as .1% of the country. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---However if I see that as many people are absolute non mask as there are BLM people I'd start to consider it could even be as high as .1% of the country --- End quote --- Seems to be 59% (although that's deffos - only 14% say never and the rest are... who knows): A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S. --- Quote ---The map shows broad regional patterns: Mask use is high in the Northeast and the West, and lower in the Plains and parts of the South. But it also shows many fine-grained local differences. Masks are widely worn in the District of Columbia, but there are sections of the suburbs in both Maryland and Virginia where norms seem to be different. In St. Louis and its western suburbs, mask use seems to be high. But across the Missouri River, it falls. --- End quote --- --- Quote ---But research from a team that includes Shana Gadarian, an associate professor of political science at Syracuse University, has found that your political party is a better predictor of mask use than any other factor they measured. Her team compared people of the same age and living in the same ZIP code, and found partisan differences in mask behavior. --- End quote --- |
| VK3DRB:
--- Quote from: maginnovision on July 19, 2020, 02:51:48 am --- --- Quote from: VK3DRB on July 19, 2020, 01:42:26 am ---The Victorian govt in Australia has just announced mask wearing in public is to be compulsory from midnight next Wednesday, else cop a $200 fine. That is great news. Strong authoritarian government is a good thing in the right context. At the other end of the scale we have the USA, which has weak and disunited government with many Americans refusing to wear a mask based upon selfishness and the fantasy of freedom. --- End quote --- Where do you live? We've had a mask fine of $300USD, for a first offence, for a while where I live in California(Far and away the most populous state and significantly higher than all of Australia). I went for a walk today and I was the only person without a mask. It's been that way since before the fine was implemented... How many people do you estimate feel there is no freedom with a mask? I feel fairly confident you don't know what's going on here in America. --- End quote --- I probably know more about some aspects of the US that you might not because we have very broad TV and radio media coverage here that goes way beyond just our borders. I have travelled many times to the USA. In fact I lived in Austin, Texas. Your culture which is similar but not the same as ours. There are some subtle differences, but in general we are very much alike. I live here in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia where the mask law is about to come in. Trumps religious and redneck followers refuse to wear masks at his rallies. A class of fools, without doubt. As for freedom, just ask the many (mostly black) exonerees who in many states are treated like lepers after exoneration. Blokes who have lost 20 or 30 years of their lives due to corrupt cops, mistaken identity, or prejudicial justice will tell you there is no freedom. The USA has the highest level of incarceration on the planet. And no, we don't have a perfect record here either. In fact, we do not have free speech here, but you do to a much greater extent. On a lighter note, according to the briliant BBC documentary, "The History of Rock and Roll", the mention of the word "freedom " in lyrics increases the probability of the song being a hit. The person who says it is dangerous to breath in your own carbon monoxide is going "up there" :palm:... |
| Ed.Kloonk:
Ignorance all 'round apparently. |
| Ed.Kloonk:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/06/17/fauci-masks-n2570789 --- Quote ---At the start of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., federal officials told the public they did not need to wear face masks. Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, said they only made people feel better but were pretty much pointless. --- End quote --- |
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