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rstofer:
According to the tracking site, Australia has 63 cases, 2 deaths and 21 recoveries.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Your recovery rate is outstanding!  The deaths are regrettable...

I have always been impressed by Singapore: 138 cases, 0 deaths and 78 recoveries.  That's a lot more impressive than the US with 376 cases, 14 deaths and only 8 recoveries.  The high number of deaths occurred because a health care facility got hit and ALL of the patients were vulnerable and stationary.

So far, season to date, the US has more than 12,000 deaths from the common flu.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Why is it that nobody discusses this outrage!  It is far worse in numbers than Covid-19.

Here an interesting number:  41  No, not 42, 41 as in 41% of adults actively avoid getting a flu shot.  Then they whine and snivel when they die.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2018-12-06/survey-43-percent-of-adults-will-not-get-flu-shot  -- headline is wrong...
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/42-the-answer-to-life-the-universe-and-everything-2205734.html

There is great hope in the leveling off of the cases in China.  Their growth rate now is more linear than exponential.

Being retired, nothing much is going to affect me but my wife still works in the public sector and there is always a crowd at the grocery store.  We'll just have to see how things play out.  Remember, many people have the infection with no symptoms or symptoms no worse than the cold or flu.  Not insignificant but not life threatening (except for the 12,000 mentioned above).  The real victims in all of this are the old people with compromising medical conditions.  That would include me...

I view the coronavirus thing as the latest "shiny thing" and the media does love shiny things.

PlainName:

--- Quote ---So far, season to date, the US has more than 12,000 deaths from the common flu.

https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

Why is it that nobody discusses this outrage!  It is far worse in numbers than Covid-19.
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Several reasons:

1. Flu is 'normal' so nothing new. We are used it. We have jabs to protect us from it.

2. Coronavirus is very early days yet. There could be 60-80% of people that get it, and 1% death rate with those numbers is way above anything simple flu can manage. Even if you add all the people who died from flu ever, they did that over many years. It's quite different to have that number die all in one go (relatively speaking).

3. Coronavirus can be caught from people with no noticeable symptoms. Flu only gets passed on the day before you're a sniveling and coughing obvious basket case.

james_s:
Humans are hardwired to tune out common things and focus on rare stuff. It's the same reason people fear things like plane crashes, mass shootings and terrorists despite the fact that stairs kill more people than all of those combined. The flu kills thousands a year and yet there are thousands if not millions of people who don't bother or even actively refuse to get vaccinated for it.

When you hear things like 1% death rate, remember that's 1% of the people who are either sick enough or paranoid enough to go to the clinic and get approval to be tested. There have got to be orders of magnitude more people who contract the virus, spend a few days in bed and recover on their own the way most of us do when we get a cold or flu. The percentage of people who contract the virus and die is going to be way, way less than 1%.

PlainName:

--- Quote --- remember that's 1% of the people who are either sick enough or paranoid enough to go to the clinic
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I think you'll find it's the calculated rate allowing for the hidden sick. The reported rate was somewhat higher at 3.4%, apparently.

Nevertheless, it's just a number. Let's go for 0.5% - still a massive funeral if the infection rate keeps up. OK, try 0.25% - just how low do you have to go before you can say it's not-a-problem?

james_s:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 08, 2020, 02:32:21 am ---I think you'll find it's the calculated rate allowing for the hidden sick. The reported rate was somewhat higher at 3.4%, apparently.

Nevertheless, it's just a number. Let's go for 0.5% - still a massive funeral if the infection rate keeps up. OK, try 0.25% - just how low do you have to go before you can say it's not-a-problem?

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How would they even calculate that? There numerous diseases that cause symptoms similar to the coronavirus, how would one even estimate the number of people infected with the specific virus in question?

While just a wild assed guess I'd say the actual death rate is probably more like .05% of those who contract it, and of those most are people who are already in poor health, again remember that the flu kills thousands every year, a majority of those also in poor health already and the disease pushes them over the edge. We're all gonna die eventually and for many of us it will be a normally fairly benign illness that is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back.

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