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Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus
PlainName:
--- Quote ---The thing that gets me is there isn't enough data to draw any conclusions yet.
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Doesn't one hope for the best but plan for the worst?
bd139:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 13, 2020, 11:34:31 am ---
--- Quote ---The thing that gets me is there isn't enough data to draw any conclusions yet.
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Doesn't one hope for the best but plan for the worst?
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Yes. But that depends mostly on the definition of worst which is not necessarily the immediate body count.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 13, 2020, 10:58:32 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 13, 2020, 10:09:06 am ---Actually keeping the social distancing up until there is a vaccine (or even better: a remedy against people's lungs filling up with fluid) is a very good idea. Most of the world is going to do just that. I don't see what is funny about it.
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It's funny because here the police have said these extreme social distancing enforcement powers will not extend beyond 90 days. Yet the NSW premier says they will remain in force "until a vaccine is found".
We aren't talking about voluntary schemes here, we are talking about the current draconian measures were police are fining people for just sitting isolated in a park or in their car, and you aren't allowed to leave your house without a "valid reason".
What about churches and other places were people congregate?
At some point it just gets silly trying to enforce any social distances laws. Sure you can advice to limit where possible, but it enforce it as law will become pointless.
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Well, laws need to be a bit flexible. Over here everyone is allowed to go where they want (the border between NL and Germany isn't closed for example) but the police is actively checking whether people don't gather in groups (3 is a crowd) and keep their distance. Popular places (like parks) get closed down if necessary. This works well without turning the country into a police state. The NL government calls it an 'intelligent lockdown'. In general people seem to adhere to the rules so managing those that don't is doable.
Churches and gyms can also spread people over the day. Modern technology like apps can help to allow people to plan a visit.
However the people depending on tourism are going to be hit hard. I don't see a way around that especially in places where they have to rely on foreigners.
paulca:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 13, 2020, 11:34:31 am ---
--- Quote ---The thing that gets me is there isn't enough data to draw any conclusions yet.
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Doesn't one hope for the best but plan for the worst?
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There will be movies, documentaries, millions of YT videos, academic articles, pop songs, books, old wives tales and folklore for a century to come... that's even something worse happens next year.
PlainName:
--- Quote --- But that depends mostly on the definition of worst which is not necessarily the immediate body count.
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It's a Y2K thing again. Beat it with decisive and robust action and everyone questions what the issue was. Could be worth reading this article from The Grauniad, which notes that we in the UK are now suffering what we saw as horrific over in Italy and Spain because we didn't act soon enough in a robust enough way. The problem here is that we can't hold back and see what it's going to do because by the time that's apparent it's too late to do anything about it. It's not a question of is the cure worse than the disease, it's a question of how much we want to bet on an unknown risk level. And we are playing with people's lives, not money or fame or anything.
Intellectually a few hundred thousand dead isn't that big of a deal when you look at the world population (although that's now, with everyone scared shitless enough to take precautions - what would it be if we weren't?). But this is what separates us from animals, isn't it? That we value someone's life more than anything else. Even those old folks who have lost their minds and don't know what's going on, who have serious underlying issues as well, we take care of them and let them die in dignity when, intellectually and monetarily, it would surely be better to off them as soon as they become a net resource sink.
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