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nctnico:

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--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 15, 2020, 02:04:32 am ---People will want to get back to this routine as soon as possible, and the longer they aren't allowed to do that the more pissed of people are going to be. They don't want a "new normal" and will not accept it in the long term, you'll see.

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Of course. And as I said already, how could they not? If this "new normal" that some are talking about is just switching to a society where you're being constantly told what to do and when you can do it, it looks a lot like home detention. Already said that, but that's currently what we are subjected to. Home detention. Even people under real home detention have more freedom than we currently do. Who would want to live like this forever? Seriously? It's mind-boggling to me that some people seem to see it as OK or even desirable. Please help me understand.

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Well, you are in France where they want everyone to stay at home. Such a situation cannot continue. But there are alternatives which are just as effective and don't require people to stay inside. Over here everything is OK for as long as you keep a distance and don't gather in groups (3 is a crowd). This effectively means over here we can still do most of the things we always did.

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Confinement is not just in France, FYI. Similar situation in many countries currently. But sure this can't be lasting and will have to end (although it may very well be decided again in the future, much more frequently than it ever did.)

But that's not just what I'm talking about. I was talking about everything people put behind the term "new normal", and everything that we can suppose might be.

"everything is OK for as long as you keep a distance and don't gather in groups (3 is a crowd)."
Do you call that normal? Seriously? Do you want to live in a world in which you can't be more than 3? In which you can't get close to anyone, meaning everyone is now a potential threat to anyone else? In which you may have to ask anyone to show you a certificate before getting closer than 1 or 2 m? Seriously?

I'm sure some of you have not thought this through really well, or are just reasoning as though ALL of this was temporary (which we can all hope for really), but here we were talking about what could be *permanent* after that.

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You have to seperate 2 things here:
1) Working from home: It is likely a lot of people will like this and won't return to going to the office everyday.

2) Keeping distance is not going to be a new normal. That is temporary. And yes some countries are more strict than others. Last week the weather was nice so I met with one of my swim-friends at a beach. Ofcourse we kept a 2m distance but we could still have a normal conversation. OTOH my wife and I don't go shopping together (kinda take turns) and I'm staying away from my parents and older family members just to be sure.

Edit: one addition to distancing: I'm sure this can be done in shops and restaurants too with some extra care like cleaning the chairs, tables and menus after every visitor. Tables and chairs could be covered with a disposable sleeve too. Not ideal but not impossible to do.
0db:
How to use a CAD at home if the server and the license cannot move from the working place?
I have already tried RDP through a VPN: it's practically not usable. I guess I am doomed.
not1xor1:

--- Quote from: boffin on April 14, 2020, 05:22:01 pm ---
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--- Quote from: blacksheeplogic on April 14, 2020, 04:29:01 am ---Take a look at how some other countries like Switzerland have dealt with it. Placing everyone under house arrest is unnecessary, it's not the ONLY way. For countries that have gone that way, now the question is how do you roll it back.

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I'm not exactly sure that Switzerland is a shining example.  For a tiny country with a tiny population (8.6M) they still have 26,000 cases.  I'm pretty sure if you do the math, you'll find the infection rate per 1000 people is higher in Switzerland than it is in the USA (which isn't exactly a example of how to do things).

Countries that have adopted early, wide-spread stay at home orders have done much better.

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Nonsense. .....

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OK, you don't like testing numbers, how about fatalities ?
Switzerland is still not a shining example; with infection and death rates higher than the USA.   Saying it's nonsense is just stupid

Deaths:
Switzerland 1,162, population 8.6M = 135/M
USA 23,709, population 328M = 72/M

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Yes, nonsense.
You are comparing time depending phenomena at different points on the time axis.
For instance till few days ago newspapers here in Italy were still writing about the rough fatality rate in Germany (a month ago at 0.38%) as a miracle while that rate had been quickly increasing and now is close to 2.7% (and still growing day after day).

This is a dynamic phenomenon and, besides that, most data are affected by various kind of errors and in some cases are even likely to be just fabricated. Even total number of tests vs. population doesn't take into account if a single person is tested multiple times (e.g. health care staff which should be tested routinely).

You'll be able to compare the performance of various countries only when this will be over and most faulty data will be corrected in some way.
bd139:

--- Quote from: 0db on April 15, 2020, 06:31:41 pm ---How to use a CAD at home if the server and the license cannot move from the working place?
I have already tried RDP through a VPN: it's practically not usable. I guess I am doomed.

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Do what we did and courier the workstations to our staff. Then VPN in for the license only.
0db:

--- Quote from: bd139 on April 15, 2020, 07:28:04 pm ---Do what we did and courier the workstations to our staff. Then VPN in for the license only.

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what do you mean with "courier the workstations to our staff". I cannot physically move the computer out of the working place. My boss said something like "no way, the computer must stay here", and I cannot move the license over the internet because it's "node-locked" rather than floating-license and offered by a server that can be reached via a VPN link from home.
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