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Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus
nctnico:
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 15, 2020, 02:04:32 am ---People will want to get back to this routine as soon as possible, and the longer they aren't allowed to do that the more pissed of people are going to be. They don't want a "new normal" and will not accept it in the long term, you'll see.
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Of course. And as I said already, how could they not? If this "new normal" that some are talking about is just switching to a society where you're being constantly told what to do and when you can do it, it looks a lot like home detention. Already said that, but that's currently what we are subjected to. Home detention. Even people under real home detention have more freedom than we currently do. Who would want to live like this forever? Seriously? It's mind-boggling to me that some people seem to see it as OK or even desirable. Please help me understand.
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Well, you are in France where they want everyone to stay at home. Such a situation cannot continue. But there are alternatives which are just as effective and don't require people to stay inside. Over here everything is OK for as long as you keep a distance and don't gather in groups (3 is a crowd). This effectively means over here we can still do most of the things we always did.
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Confinement is not just in France, FYI. Similar situation in many countries currently. But sure this can't be lasting and will have to end (although it may very well be decided again in the future, much more frequently than it ever did.)
But that's not just what I'm talking about. I was talking about everything people put behind the term "new normal", and everything that we can suppose might be.
"everything is OK for as long as you keep a distance and don't gather in groups (3 is a crowd)."
Do you call that normal? Seriously? Do you want to live in a world in which you can't be more than 3? In which you can't get close to anyone, meaning everyone is now a potential threat to anyone else? In which you may have to ask anyone to show you a certificate before getting closer than 1 or 2 m? Seriously?
I'm sure some of you have not thought this through really well, or are just reasoning as though ALL of this was temporary (which we can all hope for really), but here we were talking about what could be *permanent* after that.
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You have to seperate 2 things here:
1) Working from home: It is likely a lot of people will like this and won't return to going to the office everyday.
2) Keeping distance is not going to be a new normal. That is temporary. And yes some countries are more strict than others. Last week the weather was nice so I met with one of my swim-friends at a beach. Ofcourse we kept a 2m distance but we could still have a normal conversation. OTOH my wife and I don't go shopping together (kinda take turns) and I'm staying away from my parents and older family members just to be sure.
Edit: one addition to distancing: I'm sure this can be done in shops and restaurants too with some extra care like cleaning the chairs, tables and menus after every visitor. Tables and chairs could be covered with a disposable sleeve too. Not ideal but not impossible to do.
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I think you may have missed the point of what some are calling "new normal". As I said above, you seem to be reasoning as though the current changes are only going to be temporary, except for things that we can consider as positive, such as less pollution, more work at home, etc.
This looks overly optimistic, and anyway probably NOT what people willing things to get back to "normal" have a problem with. Who would be against less pollution and the ability to work at home if they so wish (as long maybe as it's not MANDATORY, because some people may actually have a problem with being FORCED to work at home if they don't like it)? OTOH, some people are fearing that some of the restrictions we are experiencing now may become permanent (of course in a lighter way as they are now, but still objective restrictions). As I said, I have no clue whatsoever what is going to happen, but from experience and what we can see now, this is not unlikely to happen at all. A very likely scenario is up to a few more months (till the end of 2020 basically as many already say), which is already a pretty long time. But it could last longer than this depending on how we manage to find a cure/vaccine, and other factors.
Now of course this may be all related to what anyone calls temporary. Even a few decades long event is temporary in the grand scheme of things... so yeah.
See how things are evolving and how what I said earlier can already be witnessed: people seeing anyone else as a potential threat. Recent posts show this. You think this is going to magically end from one day to the next?
Point is, you can't really blame anyone for not willing a "new normal", as this new normal is rather likely to be more annoying than fun for the average person. Not that there necessarily is any alternative to that, just a thought.
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A few points:
1) I don't think a few posts from a few people here are a good measure for the paranoia level of the general public.
2) The number of people being forced to work from home while they don't want it might be equal to the number of people wanting to work from home while they where never allowed to. Likely some people who wanted to work from home end up not liking it and people who didn't want to work from home ended up liking working from home after all. In the end you can't satisfy everyone :) It's hard to predict what they outcome is going to be in the long run.
3) Temporary is likely until somewhere in 2021. But I would be surprised if the house arrest they have in place in several countries in Europe lasts longer than a couple of weeks. The effect on the economy is just to big. Some Americans don't seem to care at all about their elders and go out to protest against the lockdowns.
In general: we are cold-turkied into a new situation. Radical changes in society takes much longer when they can evolve organically. It is natural that there is friction against change but is the end result going to be really worse? Or is that just in our minds? For example: In the Netherlands we have a children's tradition called Sinterklaas which involves black Petes (people with their faces painted black). Now some people call it racist and their voices have become louder during the past decade. Due to that the black Petes are gradually changing but there are fierce & violent protests from both sides. BTW Modern day Christmas is modelled after the Sinterklaas tradition by Coca-Cola; imagine people start to claim the elves are repressed.
To all: Sorry for keeping the long post and adding relatively little but I couldn't snip anything without preserving the context.
Electro Detective:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 18, 2020, 11:25:53 pm ---
...Some Americans don't seem to care at all about their elders and go out to protest against the lockdowns...
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I can't speak for those 'Some Americans' but will say this based on experience and observation:
The elders are more likely to cash out before their allocated time due to Corona induced STRESS, WORRY, LONELINESS and PANIC (in no particular order or context)
especially from 24/7 news media carnivals, way before any corona sniffles, current maladies, accidents due to lowered concentration, or old age expiry takes them out
I could add if their diet, fluids and meds are monitored less, or not at all due to Will waiters family neglect, carer panic/social distancing etc
this won't do them any favors either
I can only assume those 'Some Americans' are on to that too,
and well within their reasoning ability and justifiable rights to demand an immediate end to this preposterous ongoing global fear vending fiasCo
SilverSolder:
I know several people who have had this thing now. It got pretty ugly for some of them.
The social distancing is working - R(0) has fallen drastically. The problem is - what happens as we start to interact again?
rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 18, 2020, 11:25:53 pm ---
...Some Americans don't seem to care at all about their elders and go out to protest against the lockdowns...
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If you are referring to the recent protest in Michigan, careful with the Kool-Aid. People are not chest thumping "ma first amendment" (or whatever it is from the bill of rights) just for the sake of it, but instead against absolutely ridiculous measures that bear no resemblance to anything that could be effective against social isolation (lock sections of a department store? Close hardware stores? Blocking the sale of seeds? Forbid people from fishing? Really?).
A judge in a nearby county released a court order authorizing police arrest and fine if you have more than two people in your car. Also, they have to be masked. To me these people are drunk with power.
Also, New York seems to be encouraging people reporting others to the police due to social distancing and other violations. Germany was in these hot waters 80~90 years ago.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on April 19, 2020, 11:54:07 am ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 18, 2020, 11:25:53 pm ---
...Some Americans don't seem to care at all about their elders and go out to protest against the lockdowns...
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If you are referring to the recent protest in Michigan, careful with the Kool-Aid. People are not chest thumping "ma first amendment" (or whatever it is from the bill of rights) just for the sake of it, but instead against absolutely ridiculous measures that bear no resemblance to anything that could be effective against social isolation (lock sections of a department store? Close hardware stores? Blocking the sale of seeds? Forbid people from fishing? Really?).
A judge in a nearby county released a court order authorizing police arrest and fine if you have more than two people in your car. Also, they have to be masked. To me these people are drunk with power.
Also, New York seems to be encouraging people reporting others to the police due to social distancing and other violations. Germany was in these hot waters 80~90 years ago.
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You analogy is so very wrong. It is a big mistake to underestimate the impact the Coronavirus can have. For your sake I hope you are not confronted by hospitals which are overrun with patients and are not able to provide care for everyone. Yes, some measures may look drastic but they are working. The US is behind so they can learn from all the other countries which are further along 'the curve'. I wrote it before: if there is one time to shut the f*ck up and just do as being told in your life then this is the moment. The sooner people comply, the sooner the measures can be relaxed. In the end it is up to the people themselves to do the smart thing. If not then measures will have to become more harsh and being enforced more harshly.
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