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| coppice:
--- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2020, 10:26:57 pm ---Even so, I can tell you without question that I would take that shitshow over the spectacularly worse shitshow that is the US healthcare system. Nowhere else in the developed world will you be denied treatment due to lack of insurance, or get a bill for $150k+ for a heart attack. --- End quote --- I've been surprised how comfortable many Americans are with their health care being tied to their employment. If you say something like "if you are laid off, and the stress brings on a heart attack, what is your next step?" they look confused, and upset. I have met three Americans who do not live in the US, and say they will never return, after being in bankruptcy over medical bills resulting from accidents. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: bd139 on April 25, 2020, 10:28:41 pm ---Yeah yours is much worse. It’s the number one reason I have turned down two US based jobs over the years. Then again I paid including VAT about £40k of tax last year. :-// I don’t mind helping other people which appears to be the antithesis of the US healthcare system though. --- End quote --- We spend FAR more per capita on healthcare than you guys do, I wonder where all that tax money goes? I don't know the exact numbers offhand but I know the US spends twice as much as Canada which is the next runner up. That's per person too so the differing population shouldn't really matter. A lot of our healthcare costs are less visible though. Since most people get their health insurance through their employer they never see a dollar amount for it. It's part of my compensation but it's not like I can decline it and take the money instead. I have no idea how much my employer pays for my health insurance. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: coppice on April 25, 2020, 10:24:01 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on April 25, 2020, 10:17:35 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 25, 2020, 10:10:23 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2020, 09:58:04 pm ---I don't get why chemo would be considered non-essential. Here they stopped all elective procedures, as far as I was aware something like chemo was not considered elective but I thankfully have not had a need to find out. --- End quote --- I saw a short interview on the news with an ICU doctor who was puzzled by the large drop in the kinds of emergency patients they normally see a steady steam of. Maybe COVID-!9 is magically stopping all other emergencies from occurring. Maybe those people are going directly to the rising non-COVID19 deaths figure. --- End quote --- More conspiracy theories :palm: In reality the answer is really simple: people don't get into so many accidents if they stay at home. Maybe that ICU doctor isn't the sharpest knife in the cutlery tray. This isn't hard to figure out. --- End quote --- He specifically referenced infection issues, not accidents, dumbass. --- End quote --- And where do infection issues come from? Yes, those come from complications from surgery and accidents. Do I really need to explain that? Again, either the ICU doctor isn't the sharpest one or his/her words where taken out of context. |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 25, 2020, 10:40:20 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 25, 2020, 10:24:01 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on April 25, 2020, 10:17:35 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on April 25, 2020, 10:10:23 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on April 25, 2020, 09:58:04 pm ---I don't get why chemo would be considered non-essential. Here they stopped all elective procedures, as far as I was aware something like chemo was not considered elective but I thankfully have not had a need to find out. --- End quote --- I saw a short interview on the news with an ICU doctor who was puzzled by the large drop in the kinds of emergency patients they normally see a steady steam of. Maybe COVID-!9 is magically stopping all other emergencies from occurring. Maybe those people are going directly to the rising non-COVID19 deaths figure. --- End quote --- More conspiracy theories :palm: In reality the answer is really simple: people don't get into so many accidents if they stay at home. Maybe that ICU doctor isn't the sharpest knife in the cutlery tray. This isn't hard to figure out. --- End quote --- He specifically referenced infection issues, not accidents, dumbass. --- End quote --- And where do infection issues come from? Yes, those come from complications from surgery and accidents. Do I really need to explain that? Again, either the ICU doctor isn't the sharpest one or his/her words where taken out of context. --- End quote --- So, you don't think this doctor would notice when he gets an infection case, and the person has been smashed up in an accident? You don't think he'd be making allowance for that? |
| nctnico:
From my personal experience with doctors: No, I don't think so. And it is not the job of an ICU doctor to think about cause & effect and doing all kinds of statistics. Like any doctor an ICU doctor just follows the treatment protocol for the given symptoms. Doctors coming up with all kinds of outside-the-box miracle cures only exist in (fictional) TV shows. |
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