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nctnico:

--- Quote from: bd139 on April 26, 2020, 07:46:38 pm ---People might want to read up on how it works before actually making that assumption. This is not positional tracking. The governments asked for that and Google and Apple told them to get fucked.

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Correct! The Dutch government even demands the app to be open source so everyone can see inside.
floobydust:
I understand this as Bluetooth tracking compared with GPS tracking. Converting a Bluetooth UUID to an actual person's ID or phone number requires access to private information and your contact list, and who trusts these cheezy app developers to not harvest it all and sell it to third parties ala zuckerburg style and claim it was a hack.

My municipality already uses Bluetooth tracking along freeways and major roadways, where it picks off your BT devices (car NAV, phone, iPad, FitBit etc) and uses their "anonymized MAC address" to determine your travel times for traffic congestion etc.  No permissions or app needed. It can also be used in a mall to see where you are and how long you spend in sections of a store, for analytics.  As I said, I know the husband's BT UUID and to run when it comes up  ;)

I don't see the point in moving towards being a (proximity) surveillance state, every precedent set removing privacy by corporations leads us towards their profit motive of monetizing our private information.
coppice:

--- Quote from: Muttley Snickers on April 26, 2020, 11:37:14 am ---Apparently the Covidsafe bluetooth application is now ready for Australians to download.   :-\ 
They should make it so if you are in close proximity to somebody else for too long your
phone generates an annoyingly loud coughing sound, better to be safe than sick.   >:D

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/coronavirus-tracing-app-covidsafe-australia-government-covid-19/12186130

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They clearly got this idea by reversing what happens in the movie Wedlock. They'll quickly find people cheat, and don't have their phone with them 100% of the time. So, version 2 will require you be fitted with a collar, and if you move too close to someone it will blow your head off.  :)
nctnico:

--- Quote from: floobydust on April 26, 2020, 08:18:37 pm ---I understand this as Bluetooth tracking compared with GPS tracking. Converting a Bluetooth UUID to an actual person's ID or phone number requires access to private information and your contact list, and who trusts these cheezy app developers to not harvest it all and sell it to third parties ala zuckerburg style and claim it was a hack.

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But Corona tracking apps don't work that way. The Bluetooth ID gets hashed (which means converted to a unique fingerprint which cannot be traced back to the original; see SHA256 for example). On your phone you'll have a list with those fingerprints for a couple of weeks. A central server receives messages from phones of which the user says he/she is infected and you get a message saying a fingerprint is infected.

In short: there is no absolute location tracking involved and no personal c.q. traceable information is shared. Also many Corona tracking apps are open source so anyone can see how it works. As bd139 wrote: you should really do some investigation into how Corona tracking apps actually work instead of writing utter nonsense.
coppice:

--- Quote from: bd139 on April 26, 2020, 07:46:38 pm ---People might want to read up on how it works before actually making that assumption. This is not positional tracking. The governments asked for that and Google and Apple told them to get fucked.

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If the app can't trace a person's activity, and who they were near, isn't it just useless feel good fluff?
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